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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby wurmz07 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:23 am

I'm guessing you're person B, so I pick that one.



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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby mak1277 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:52 am

Carlos Beltran is one of only two players in baseball history to have pulled off the following combinaton of stats in more than three individual seasons in their career:

20-plus HRs
25-plus SBs
100-plus RBIs
100-plus runs scored

He has done it SIX times.

I think he qualifies as both a stud and a 5-tool player.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby Tavish » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:06 am

For the first question A is right by far. Beltran is both a stud and a 5-tool player.
On question #2 I would probably lean towards B, but its speculation either way.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby mojoorising » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:11 am

States that the reason the Marlins chose to trade with the Red Sox was because the Red Sox offered the most enticing trade package of prospects (Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Harvey Garcia, & Jesus Garcia) along with the fact that the Red Sox were willing take on Guillermo Mota's & Mike Lowell's contracts which the Marlins were trying to get rid of (salary dump

I think that makes B right on second argument.... as far as first goes beltran is the definition of a 5 tool player
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby Carnac » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:13 am

Player A wins the debate on Carlos Beltran.

Beltran is the definition of a 5 tool player. Hits for power, hits for average, has outstanding speed and is an outstanding defensive player and has a plus arm. Don't know that there are too many better all around players in baseball.

All scouting reports on Carlos Beltran throughout his career have graded him as a 5 tool player.

Your examples of other 5 tool players are off the mark. Pujols and Cabrera are not 5 tool players. Both have below average speed. Cabrera is at best an average fielder.

Player B wins debate on Marlins trades.

Marlins were dumping salaries.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby Ender » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:15 am

1) A
2) B


Beltran might not technically be 5 tool because of the average but he also is hitting in a park that heavily suppresses AVG. There is no doubt that there was more to the Marlins trade than just 'we knew he was going to be a stud'. It most definitely was partially a salary dump.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby IVIisfits138 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:16 am

Argument 1: I could only count the number of current players on one hand that I would rather have on my real life baseball team than Beltran. Seemingly effortless in the field, excellent baserunner, switch-hitter with power from both sides of the plate that bats .280 with a high OBP. Whats not to like? Stud.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby lastingsgriller » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:29 am

1. carlos beltran is a stud 5-tool player.

2. is person A tring to say that the marlins orginazation knew better what Hanley was going to do than the Red Sox orginazation did?

I would say both teams knew the potential and neither team knew if that potential was going to pan out.. either way, the marlins were dumping salary and they like Ramirez' potential, and fortunately for them it worked out probably much better than they hoped.
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Re: 2 Baseball Arguments/Debates - Which Side Do You Agree With?

Postby j24jags » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:21 am

With the way you lay it out, it's almost impossible to pick against Person B because you develop that argument much more...
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