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Postby Yoda » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:49 pm

Is there a more arbitrary category than the W? I had two good starts this week ruined by a crappy performing bullpen. A starter can give up 10 runs in 5 innings and still get the W. A closer who blows a save in the 9th gets a W because his team scores a pair of runs in the 10th. WTF?
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby Old_Style » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:51 pm

:~( Use quality starts if you don't like wins.
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby ytorf » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:59 pm

That's what we do in my league, we count quality starts over double the value of wins.
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby MasterX1918 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:01 pm

I agree that Wins is sort of a petty statistic
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:06 pm

Old_Style wrote::~( Use quality starts if you don't like wins.

The problems: 5.2 IP, 0 ER and 9 IP, 4 ER

Quality starts should be redefined as "a starter who goes 4.2 IP or over and has a ≤4.50 ERA for the game".
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby Maris09 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:14 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
Old_Style wrote::~( Use quality starts if you don't like wins.

The problems: 5.2 IP, 0 ER and 9 IP, 4 ER

Quality starts should be redefined as "a starter who goes 4.2 IP or over and has a ≤4.50 ERA for the game".

Exactly right.

There are major flaws on both sides.
They really have to modify the stat (at least for fantasy purposes).
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby swyck » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:28 pm

MasterX1918 wrote:I agree that Wins is sort of a petty statistic


Because wins aren't important to a baseball team? :-?
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby garf112 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:09 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
Quality starts should be redefined as "a starter who goes 4.2 IP or over and has a ≤4.50 ERA for the game".


why should you get credit for a quality start if you pitch 4.2 IP???
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:13 pm

i don't mind the relivers blowing Ws because it won't happen to just your guys, it will happen to everyone in the end.
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Re: the official "I hate wins as a category" thread

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:16 pm

Yoda wrote:Is there a more arbitrary category than the W? I had two good starts this week ruined by a crappy performing bullpen. A starter can give up 10 runs in 5 innings and still get the W. A closer who blows a save in the 9th gets a W because his team scores a pair of runs in the 10th. WTF?


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