which pitcher(s) would you trade to get better offense?!@

[sinicalypse]

greetings programs, the name's james and i'm a loquatious one. in my main yahoo roto league, aka the one where i'm playing against friends as opposed to random publeague goodness, i missed the first 19 out of 28 rounds of the draft and found out my custom predraft/autopick list was retarded so in my main league, in those first 19 rounds i didnt draft it made absolutely retarded picks for me, with the exception of starting pitching as it went to town to ensure that at absolute worst i'd be second or something in most pitching categories. but like, check this pile of crap out and keep in mind some of the nichey sleeper-type picks are FA moves by me after the draft

c - ryan doumit
1B - mike jacobs / jorge cantu / jason giambi
2B - kaz matsui / aaron hill
SS - erick aybar (i just put elvis andrus on the waiver wire hoping nobody grabs him cuz his average might suck but he can steal bases adn score runs on texas i believe)
3B - adrian beltre / josh fields / (i just cut edwin encarnacion, so maybe i can get him back)
MI - whoever i don't use out of the aforementioned lot
CI - whoever i don't use out of the aforementioned lot
OF - grady sizemore
OF - vladimir guerrero
OF - lastings milledge
OF - nelson cruz
Util - brad hawpe / spare outfielders >>> carlos gomez / michael bourn

and now here's where i enlarge rectum with my foot:

SP - johan santana, tim lincecum, cole hamels, roy halladay, daisuke matsuzaka, carlos zambrano
RP - bobby jenks, kevin gregg, troy percival, frank francisco, carlos marmol

btw the marmol thing sucks cuz with 4 closers and 2 RP and 2 P slots, with my four closers i can't let marmol sit in there and rack up his sub-2.75 era sub-1.00 whip and league-best-type K rate (117k in ~80something innings) cuz i'd do that if i could


so looking at my team, which pitchers/players would you try to trade to get offense?!@ i've been tinkering around with one dude tryin'ta do halladay for brandon phillips, with the most extreme offer being halladay and daisuke for phillips chris davis and chris ray, and various things, but then he started wanting halladay and lincecum and like, i'm not parting with two aces like that, even tho lincecum has technically only done it for one year, i like dealing from a position of strength... if i could get a solid 50-60%-ile offense and make sure i'm top 1/3rd in steals, with my pitching staff and some luck in the saves dept i should prolly dominate the joint, its just this offense is rank, even in a ~10 team league that's pretty deep because of the extra MI/CI/OF positions, thus causing people to soak up extra players and start them.

so question 1) is my offense that super horrible?!@ i mean i know that my #1 offensive star isn't a 45+ homerun threat and one can argue short of sizemore or a miracle from vlad or a josh fields type i dont have a 40 homerun guy, but if i can get production at all positions and dominate in pitching i'll be aight.

but like, what parts would you try and move in order to get better?!@ im leaving after this post so leave me a link to your thread/s and i'll give you my trademark verbalicious 4-1-1 on everything thank you drive through stay excellent, my friends

# jaym-Z

[smoovethug]

Your OF is fine, but the infield needs addressing. Ideally I'd move Cole Hamels if his elbow scare hasn't lessened his trade value. Halladay would be my 2nd choice to move as his track record speaks for itself.

[Snakes Gould]

id look to trade dice-k or zambrano honestly. neither will pitch where their MDP warrants.

[Crazed98]

see if troy percival appeals to anyone lacking closers.

[dave knight]

I agree about trading Dice-K and Zambrano. Both are very overrated this year.

[TheGinner]

This infield looks scary
Outfield is looking alright, if not plentiful.

Everywhere else you're doing fine I think.. I think I would move Hamels only if you can get 2-3 round value for him, but dont give him up cheap.... wait until he has about 3 QS under his belt then trade him

I also agree on giving Zambrano + (player) a ride for a good MI if anyone will bite on it..... Zambrano goes with trades like Callard Greens goes with Chicken. Deliciousness.

Dont try to trade Zambrano straight up.... he always looks best next to someone else.... just make sure you're getting the better player.

You have options to trade your pitchers, but fantasy owners always prefer bats over pitching (it is much more consistant). SO make sure you aren't taking a chump bat for your pitchers. Do some research and I'm sure you can fill your infield and still keep a healthy roation.

[rupertoooo]

I will state the obvious here. Hold onto Santana and Lincecum and trade who ever you can get the most value for. Address that IF, yikes.

[sinicalypse]

welp, i managed to nab the wonderkid bonifacio, who even after his 4-5 4R HR 2 RBI 3 SB game has chipped in a couple'a more RBIs... i think he'll be an interesting one to watch as the marlins technically have all of the prowess of the ol expos farm system, seeing as jeffrey loria took everything all the way down to teh computers when he bought the marlins and ditched the expos, so couple that with aaron hill, who i think is a solid sleeper-type-candidate, and teh surprising 2 days 2 HR start of jorge cantu, and i think i'll be aight. especially cuz i think josh fields is a decent shot to go 25+/75+ at 3B coming out of relatively nowhere (2 seasons ago in ~100 games he had ~25 home runs, which bodes well if that or something similar can translate to a full 162 game season) and i took elvis andrus back seeing as if the guy can hit .275 score a decent amount of runs and steal 25+ bases he'll do me fine.

even though everyone says to trade zambrano, i'm more inclined to sit on zambrano seeing as a) with two seasons of 3.90ish ERA his trade value won't be as high as it should be, seeing as i think this is the year he hits 20 and gets back to a sub 3.50 ERA with slightly improved K numbers, and b) he's my favorite pitcher in all of MLB. therefore, daisuke with his perpetual 1.32 WHIP is the one who seems obvious to trade, even though last year indicates that he became a better pitcher because with the exact same whip his era went down damn near 1.50 runs with HR numbers down and whatnot, it basically tells me that he managed to get hit not as hard.

the answer i wanted to hear in all of this was halladay, or maybe even lincecum. lincecum started off auspiciously this season with 3 ER in 3 IP, and seeing as last year he went only 4 IP in teh season starter, where he gave up one run, he's had only one season of doing it, as opposed to the rest of my guys.

halladay seems like a guy who could balloon up to a 3.75-4.25 ERA and still win 15+ games, seeing as he's getting older, but like, i dont watch him pitch enough in-game to know whats up. yesterday he was spotted an early lead and gave up one run through four, tehn the jays went on a tear adn had a 5 run inning and got up 9-1, and when he came back out he then gave up 4 more runs to end up with 5 ER in 7 IP, so even tho he got the win he shot my whole day's worth of ERA and whatnot.

early on, with the production of cantu and some hits here and there, i'm third in the league and basically waiting to finish the second 1/2 of a go-around with my aces to see if i can end up with something like ~5 wins through it, then hopefully i can get a few saves here and there and use my sheer #s (four closers, which we all know is a crapshoot) to stay competitive upper 1/3 or 1/4 in saves, hopefully top ERA/WHIP/wins/K and from there i can scrap together enough offense to make a run at the league title.

if you guys were me, given my notorious lack of infield prowess, how early would you try to move some of my SP to get offense?! would you ride a few rotations of the aces and milk as much as i can with good stats, figuring that if i stay on top of my baseball intake i can maybe come across a new young kid / middle-upper 20s guy who steps up adn joins an upper echelon of pitchers (akin to joe saunders last year) and figure that i can make up like 75% of the performance of a bonafide ace whilst still trading that for offense i would be unlikely to wield without the trade?!@

midaswell make offers that vastly benefit me and see what i can get from them. i've got this kind of dilemma in other leagues, however, my offense is better in those three other leagues, however, i have a closer epidemic. i have bobby jenks, my personal favorite closer, in every league, however, in 2 of the 3 i only have one other bonafide closer (k-rod, huston street) and some potentials (chris ray, ryan franklin, marmol, scott downs, etc) and thats it.

basically, when you trade an ace or 2nd tier guy (be it your daisukes, zambranos, dan harens, scott kazmirs) what kind of production should you get back!?@ thats the real question.

forgive my babbling but i gotta let it all out fo'real

[jmcampbe11]

I agree about trading Dice-K and Zambrano. Both are very overrated this year.

I third that idea...although I think Zambrano might be so overrated he's underated now (make sense?). I would trade Dice-K. All those walks will eventually catch up with him.

[Rance Mulliniks]

That rotation is amazing! What value can you get? Take a look at guys drafted around the pitcher you're trying to move. Agreed you need better infielders.

If I were trading Dice-K, I'd look at getting someone like Youk, AGonz, Chipper, CDavis, Atkins, BRoberts....

If you're looking for a big-3 SS, you'd have to move someone like Lincecum (which with your rotation I'd consider).