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by **gkrake** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:23 am

It's a 12-team keeper league, and I was offered my KRod for his Teixiera. I guess the guy feels like he is ok at the corners, and is in terrible need of saves. For whatever reason, I accepted, but there is now talk of vetoes on the message boards. What do you think? Is it veto-able? I think we can all agree I'm getting the value on the deal, but I'm wondering your thoughts on what should and shouldn't be vetoed. For some background, here are our squads:

My Team:
C Geovany Soto (ChC - C)
1B Chris Davis (Tex - 1B,3B)
2B Robinson Canó (NYY - 2B)
3B Adrián Béltre (Sea - 3B)
SS Hanley Ramírez (Fla - SS)
OF Nick Markakis (Bal - OF)
OF Ryan Braun (Mil - OF)
OF Hunter Pence (Hou - OF)
Util David Ortiz(Bos - Util)
BN James Loney (LAD - 1B)
BN Nelson Cruz (Tex - OF)

SP Dan Haren (Ari - SP)
SP Chad Billingsley (LAD - SP)
RP Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP)
RP Francisco Rodríguez (NYM - RP)
P Heath Bell (SD - RP)
P Huston Street (Col - RP)
P Carlos Villanueva (Mil - SP,RP)
BN John Danks (CWS - SP)
BN Chris Carpenter(StL - SP)
BN Jered Weaver (LAA - SP)
BN Wandy Rodríguez (Hou - SP)

His Team:
C A.J. Pierzynski (CWS - C)
1B Kevin Youkilis (Bos - 1B,3B)
2B Howie Kendrick (LAA - 2B)
3B Pablo Sandoval (SF - C,1B,3B)
SS J.J. Hardy (Mil - SS)
OF Magglio Ordóñez(Det - OF)
OF Johnny Damon (NYY - OF)
OF Manny Ramírez (LAD - OF)
Util Jim Thome (CWS - Util)
BN Aaron Rowand (SF - OF)
BN Mark Teixeira (NYY - 1B)
BN Michael Young (Tex - SS)
BN Kazuo Matsui (Hou - 2B)
BN Rickie Weeks (Mil - 2B)

SP Scott Kazmir (TB - SP)
SP Daisuke Matsuzaka(Bos - SP)
RP Max Scherzer(Ari - SP,RP)
RP Brad Ziegler (Oak - RP)
P Brandon Lyon (Det - RP)
P Johnny Cueto(Cin - SP)
P Gavin Floyd (CWS - SP)
BN Gil Meche (KC - SP)

by **angels7777** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:30 am

stupid trade but it should not be vetoed if the guy really needs/wants saves at a steep price

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by **dooho** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:32 am

yeah, you can't veto this. imo, you only veto in acts of collusion. dumb trades are made and this is one, but as soon as you start vetoing based on that it's a slippery slope.

by **coma** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:40 am

Hate to say it, but it is pretty dang lopsided. I would probably try and veto if I were in the league...

Thanks for the help with mine.

by **angels7777** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:41 am

dooho wrote:yeah, you can't veto this. imo, you only veto in acts of collusion. dumb trades are made and this is one, but as soon as you start vetoing based on that it's a slippery slope.

agreed - vetoing dumb trades sets a dangerous precedent and generally leads to every trade being vetoed later on and everyone starts getting ticked off because no one can get a deal done

by **ayebatter** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:53 am

I don't believe in trade veto's (collusion excepted), if you wan the deal to go thru, put some meat on your side of the trade - add Beltre to Krod for Tex. He certainly will benefit playing Adrian over Sandoval, and Beltre has no spot on your roster with the addition of Tex, and the move of Davis to 3rd.

by **gkrake** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:01 am

^ That's a good idea. If it ends up getting vetoed, I may re-submit it as Beltre + Krod for Tex. I think that takes off some of the sting, indeed.

I'm in agreement with all on the principal of no vetoing. We're trying to get there in our league. There have been several vetoes in the past, and I think people are getting fed up with the excessive vetoing. We'll see what happens. I'm cool with it either way.

by **BALCO All-Stars** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:53 am

Another vote for not vetoing. I don't believe in vetoing unless collusion is involved. And as a previous poster said, and someone of decent value to the trade if it gets vetoed.