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Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby Frances The Mute » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:34 pm

Michael Young and Clint Barmes, starting whoever has more home games each week in my H2H league. Going to see how close to Han-Ram-esc numbers I can get using that combo.



I'll follow up though out the season to brag.



CLINT YOUNG ((all caps!) don't get it confused) season stats through May 3:

19 Runs 7 HR 15 RBI 3 SB .340 (conservative estimate) avg >1.02 OPS
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby John Bonzo » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:47 pm

I personally love playing the L/R or home/away splits and think that it is a great strategy. It of course works better in daily transactions league, but I am curious to see how it works out with you.

I am trying the same thing with the 3 Util spots in a league: Andre Either, Adam Lind, Jason Kubel, Elijah Dukes, and Rick Ankiel (playing matchups and sitting whoever is facing the lefty).
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby RAmst23 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:59 pm

Frances The Mute wrote:Michael Young and Clint Barmes, starting whoever has more home games each week in my H2H league. Going to see how close to Han-Ram-esc numbers I can get using that combo.



I'll follow up though out the season to brag.


It's not a bad strategy, but I'm not sure why you picked these two. Even if you combine their yearly stats, at most you're looking at 15 HRs and 15 SBs. Not much power or speed. A better platoon would be Young and Ian Stewart, or at least someone that offers you something Young doesn't already.
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby Frances The Mute » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:25 pm

I picked them cause they both play SS and have severe home/away splits.

I am not on the Ian Stewart bandwagon anyway
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby prateem » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:55 am

This inherently is a good idea, but as a previous posters stated the best youll probably come out with this pair is 15 hrs /15 sbs. If I am not able to land a first round SS, then this is what I am thinking. A combination of someone like Jhonny Peralta( MDP -101) at home where he can hit from around 275 to 300 and get you around 12 Hrs or JJ Hardy at home will get you around 280+ (MDP - 98) though he hit .315 on the road and hit 10 hrs last year or Khalil Greene (this is who i would like to use). I know he sucked last year but if you look at his career home/away splits. Away from SD he hit 270 for his career but if you take out last year's crappy .212 from his away sample size it spikes to .280. Thats 288 hits out of 1028 abs. A decent fair sample size. This year he is hitting in a very potent if healthy St. Louis Cardinal lineup. He is probably going to hit 6th or 7th and the best news of all is that he no longer is hitting in PETCO Park. From 2007 to 2004 he hit between 9 - 15 Hrs away from San Diego. So I dont think it would be unreasonable to use Greene on the road or if is he producing well at home. I think you could get something like .280 avg with 12 Hrs. To my make argument even better, in 2008 Greene played extremely poor however in 21 abs in STL he hit .286. Obviously, that is not statistically relevant, but it looks good. And to sweeten the deal this spring in 63 Abs he is hitting .435 and slugging .550. And I would like to pair Greene with Elvis Andrus. In double AA he hit .295 and stole 53 bases in 480 abs with 80+ runs and 65 rbi. I know he is a rookie and Kalil Greene is an injury risk. But the Texas Rangers seem so happy with Andrus that they moved Michael Young to 3rd. He is hitting .286 this spring and has stolen a few bags and Greene looks like he has a new lease on his career in Stl.

Would it be unreasonable to to expect something like a 275 - 290 AVG, 80 - 90 Runs, 14 -18 HRs, 60+ RBIs, with 30+ SBs out of 600 abs between these two. With MDPs of 219 and 257. Thats somewhere around round 18 to round 22. With you definently being able to secure them at rounds 16 and 20.

Its not like Clint Barmes is a beacon of health either. But if your so inclined you could use Barmes at home instead of Greene. However, a healthy Greene would possibly give you 12 -15 Hrs where Barmes or Young would give around 7+ each. By using Young/Barmes you waste a top 10 round pick on Michael Young and only get a marginal boost in runs and rbis while stealing less then 10 bags. Frankly the only place you would get a distinct advantage would be in AVG. Maybe 20 points, but you also lose out on maybe 25 SBs and a higher pick which could be used on a bigger need.

Watch for the duo Greene/Andrus.

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2008 FRI Tex 19 Tex AA ss 118 482 82 142 19 2 4 65 53 16 38 91 6 0 3 6 17 .295 .350 .367 717
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby DSheppard » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:19 am

He may only end up with 15 hr/15 sb doing that with with them, but those arn't the only categories.. the average/runs/rbi numbers should be really good.

My issue would be doing it in a weekly league as noted (if thats what this actually is). Its not like teams usually spend an entire week on the road at a time, lots of 4 at home 3 on the road.. doesn't seem like it would really match up perfectly very often. ALthough obviously ive never tried it, just speculating.

For a weekly league I think i'd worry more about the best possible backup SS for young to play on full weeks young is on the road than to worry about someone who also plays in a good home park and trying to match it based on a game or two extra at home. Maybe someone with dual eligibility to do the same backup for another player. Which i guess might be barmes.

So uh I think it might be tough to really pull off effectively but like the idea.
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby Frances The Mute » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:21 pm

Yeah I am talking a weekly lineup league. For instance I'm starting Barmes -- home games and then away games at Chas field where he rakes.
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby Big Game JLo » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:26 pm

Very intriguing concept. Here's what I've come up with. I realize the RBI's are pretty low, but all the other numbers are fairly average with those I listed below for comparisons sake. By the way, this is for OF.

Option #1:
Randy Winn: 305 AB's / 95 Hits / .311 Avg / 4 HR / 15 SB / 46 R / 31 RBI / 295 MDP
Ty Wigginton: 181 AB's / 62 Hits / .343 Avg / 15 HR / 2 SB / 31 R / 35 RBI / ? MDP
Total: 486 AB's / 157 Hits / .323 Avg / 19 HR / 17 SB / 77 R / 66 RBI

Option #2:
Randy Winn: 305 AB's / 95 Hits / .311 Avg / 4 HR / 15 SB / 46 R / 31 RBI / 295 MDP
Jack Cust: 253 AB's / 61 Hits / 0.241 Avg / 20 HR / 0 SB / 45 R / 44 RBI / 307 MDP
Total: 558 AB's / 156 Hits / .280 Avg / 24 HR / 15 SB / 91 R / 75 RBI

COMPARISONS:
Nate McLouth: 597 AB's / 165 Hits / .276 Avg / 26 HR / 23 SB / 113 R / 94 RBI / 54 MDP
Hunter Pence: 595 AB's / 160 Hits / .269 Avg / 25 HR / 11 SB / 78 R / 83 RBI / 81 MDP
Curtis Granderson: 553 AB's / 155 Hits / .280 Avg / 22 HR / 12 SB / 112 R / 66 RBI / 48 MDP
Corey Hart: 612 AB's / 164 Hits / .268 Avg / 20 HR / 23 SB / 76 R / 91 RBI / 58 MDP
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby Spartans Rule » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:57 pm

Michael Young is really being drafted too high for this to begin with. I don't want to take a guy in the 7th or 8th round just to platoon him. The value of a platoon strategy is making it work with late picks.
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Re: Michael young and Clint Barmes split strategy

Postby Frances The Mute » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:54 pm

nah it doesn't matter -- Mr. Michael Young is a tad less than a stud nowadays but he is a FULL BLOWN Stud at home still...Dude hits .305/.842 at home and terrible 264/680 on the road. Sit hiim on away games an insert Mr. .330/932 8-o Barmesy for Colorado games...sick sick sick.
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