I have just been offered Ryan Ludwick, Tim Lincecum, and Ryan Dempster for my Josh Hamilton, Jake Peavy, and Justin Verlander. My team is in need of some pitching and would like some opinions on this trade please.
Here is my roster C Mike Napoli 1B Prince Fielder 2B Brandon Phillips 3B Adrian Beltre, Edwin Encarnacion SS Alexei Ramirez OF Josh Hamilton, Vernon Wells, Nelson Cruz, Chris B Young, Willy Taveras Util Travis Hafner
SP Jake Peavy, Francisco Liriano, Dice-K, Justin Verlander, Fausto Carmona RP Brad Lidge, Matt Lindstrom, Chris Ray, Brad Ziegler
The league is a standard head to head league with runs, hr, avg, rbi, steals and wins, saves, era, saves, whip.
Agree. I'd prefer a good hitter over a good pitcher any day in a H2H league. Hamilton for Ludwick is too big a downgrade, and then the pitching upgrade is not major. If this were a roto league, I might consider it, but probably wouldn't take it in the end. In a H2H league, definitely not imo.
Don't do it Ludwick's season was fluke more likely to hit .270 with 25 hrs this, and he does have extensive injury history, you can say so does Hamilton, but it was addiction related. Peavy and Lincecum will be comparable, and Verlander will bounce back year
I look at it like this: Lincecum/Dempster >> Peavy/Verlander. I think that Verlander is never going to live up to his previous expectations and he has been on the decline the last two years. Peavy is a great pitcher...when he is pitching at home in that amazing pitchers haven. He is now a health concern(look at his yearly IP, he threw 223 IP in 2007) Lincecum is a freak of nature, and guys like him come around once in a lifetime. He is by far the best starter in fantasy, and in real life. The scary thing is that he has room for improvement from his monster year last year. Hamilton > Ludwig Yes Hamilton wins this one by quite a bit. I am a beliver in Ludwig for at least a couple more years though. I think that you can pencil him in for 30 HR and .290 with near 200 RBI+R. And he is hitting a lineup with our generations best hitter.
Hamilton derived a lot of his value from his crazy RBI numbers he put up throughout the first half of last year. He slowed down in the second half, but still showed good numbers all across. Yes he has a great story from being a crack addict to an all star. That doesnt mean he is god.
Bottom line: Ludwig had more HR(37) and more 2B(40) than Hamilton(32 and 35 respectively), and he did it in 86 less at bats. Ludwig also had higher OBP AND Slugging.
While you might really like Hamilton like a lot of peole do, look past the big names on this deal and do the right thing. You are taking a decent downgrade and upgrading both SP slots, and getting the best starter in fantasy baseball.
but remember like all stud pitchers about this time in their careers, experience major arm issues, Cole Hamels is starting to have issues this year, and if some one can name 2 start pitchers who came out in the last 10 years who hasn't had and issues yet, then I say the trade is fair, Verlander was a stud in college and 1st rounder he will rebound, he was having injury issues last year, and I still stand by my comment that Ludwick is a 1 year wonder.
Hustler8800 wrote:I look at it like this: Lincecum/Dempster >> Peavy/Verlander. I think that Verlander is never going to live up to his previous expectations and he has been on the decline the last two years. Peavy is a great pitcher...when he is pitching at home in that amazing pitchers haven. He is now a health concern(look at his yearly IP, he threw 223 IP in 2007) Lincecum is a freak of nature, and guys like him come around once in a lifetime. He is by far the best starter in fantasy, and in real life. The scary thing is that he has room for improvement from his monster year last year. Hamilton > Ludwig Yes Hamilton wins this one by quite a bit. I am a beliver in Ludwig for at least a couple more years though. I think that you can pencil him in for 30 HR and .290 with near 200 RBI+R. And he is hitting a lineup with our generations best hitter.
Hamilton derived a lot of his value from his crazy RBI numbers he put up throughout the first half of last year. He slowed down in the second half, but still showed good numbers all across. Yes he has a great story from being a crack addict to an all star. That doesnt mean he is god.
Bottom line: Ludwig had more HR(37) and more 2B(40) than Hamilton(32 and 35 respectively), and he did it in 86 less at bats. Ludwig also had higher OBP AND Slugging.
While you might really like Hamilton like a lot of peole do, look past the big names on this deal and do the right thing. You are taking a decent downgrade and upgrading both SP slots, and getting the best starter in fantasy baseball.
Verlander Declined in 07 when he had a better yeah than his rookie of the year 06? He's throwing 95-97 routinely in spring training and has only allowed one run in his last 17-18 innings pitched. His curve is being used more already, he kinda abandoned it at times last year. He has top 6-7 stuff of all starters in the majors. Barring the unsual, he'll be just fine.
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by tombois13 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:37 pm 
