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canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:25 am

like this?: Wolf, Zambrano, Moyer, Ortiz, Willis, Maddux, Sabathia

Tough to rate these 7. I've gt them all ranked just inside/outside of the the Top 25 SP's, with Wolf standing out as closest to Top 20 material. Watcha think?

by **chinch sacs** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:30 am

Wolf
Russ Ortiz
C. Zambrano
Maddux
Sabathia
Moyer
Willis

by **FantasySteve** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:36 am

Wolf, Zambrano, Moyer, Ortiz, Maddux, Willis, Sabathia with Willis above Sabathia only for the slight chance that he can repeat the first half of last year, which I somehow doubt.

canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:53 am

Anyone else wanna weigh in?

I certainly don't expect unanimous agreement as these guys are all valuable/similar.

Wolf stands out to me as a frontrunner, and WIllis worries me the most. Other than that, three different opinions so far as to the order they should go in ;-D

by **LionsandTigersOhMy** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:05 am

Wolf,
Zambrano
Sabathia
Ortiz
Maddux
Moyer

Wolf is definitely the best of the bunch.If he could maintain a whole season he would be top 10 pitcher but he always falters second half.

Zambrano is my 2 because of the offense and hes young with great upside.I am worried about him being overworked.

Even though he is on a bad team Sabathia is young and primed for a big year.Plus he faces some of the weaker offense in that division.

Ortiz is solid and steady but will not duplicate last year.

Maddux could suprise everyone with a return to greatness but at the very worst with that offense he will get 15 wins.

Moyer is last cause hes old as Moses but then again he got good when he was OLD so who knows..

Just my opinion..

by **Hbj79** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:11 am

One error. Wolf faultered in last years second half. Prior to that he had always been bad in the first half and turned it on in the second half.

canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:22 am

Hbj79 wrote:One error. Wolf faultered in last years second half. Prior to that he had always been bad in the first half and turned it on in the second half.

Do you think that effects his ranking on this list?

Some other guys who might fall within this range, but not above Wolf: Hernandez, Clement, Padilla.

by **LionsandTigersOhMy** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:57 am

I stand corrected :-]

.....But I guess the point is he can never put it together all year..

canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:55 am

Wolf
Zambrano
Ortiz
Sabathia
Maddux
Willis --maybe higher?
Moyer --maybe higher?
Padilla
Hernandez
Clement

hmm...maybe. This is for my 2nd and 3rd pitchers, if that matters.

canibus · by **canibus** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:48 pm

anyone else?

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