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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:24 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:Schilling, Smoltz, Glavine and Mussina are all in the same class. There should be no reason for one to get in and not all. What's funny is that Glavine is probably the worst of that class yet he's the only one who is considered a no-doubter.


Glavine is probably the worst of them as far as ERA and WHIP but he threw around 1000 more innings. That has to count for something.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby AussieDodger » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:36 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Schilling, Smoltz, Glavine and Mussina are all in the same class. There should be no reason for one to get in and not all. What's funny is that Glavine is probably the worst of that class yet he's the only one who is considered a no-doubter.


Glavine is probably the worst of them as far as ERA and WHIP but he threw around 1000 more innings. That has to count for something.


Well then they should open up a "Hall Of Good Health" and put him in it. ;-7
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Matthias » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:31 pm

RAmst23 wrote:Guess I'll go the devil's advocate route..

3000 K's is the only stand-out statistic by Curt Schilling to make him a HOF. A 216-146 record with an ERA of 3.46 is certainly a good career, it's in fact very similar to Kevin Brown's 211-144 record with an ERA of 3.28.

Sure, but Schilling finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting 3 times and 4th once and got MVP votes in all of those seasons.

Kevin Brown had a 2nd-place finish, a 3rd-place, and 3 6th-place finishes with no MVP votes.

And the postseason does matter. Kevin Brown's team won, despite him, in 1997. Schilling was a pivotal player in winning the 2001 WS and the 2004 WS and had a great start (although it wasn't as necessary) in 2007.
RAmst23 wrote:Schilling does not seem to stand with the list of great pitchers from his era (Clemens, Maddux, RJ, Pedro), but fits in better with many others who were very good but not great.

Well, noone on that list stands with Pedro in his prime. So you can't use him as a metric, it just isn't fair.

Clemens and RJ are no-doubt HoF'ers (well, unless maybe Clemens gets imprisoned for steroids/perjury, but that's completely separate).

The fact that you don't think Schilling is as good as those two (which he arguably hasn't had as great of a career, granted) doesn't DQ him from the Hall. He's still had a good enough career in his own right.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby MaxJTucker41 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:10 am

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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Padres Fan » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:17 am

AussieDodger wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Schilling, Smoltz, Glavine and Mussina are all in the same class. There should be no reason for one to get in and not all. What's funny is that Glavine is probably the worst of that class yet he's the only one who is considered a no-doubter.


all 4 should get in, some not on the 1st try but the will first to go will be Glavine (300 wins) Smoltz Schilling, and then Moose.

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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby jfg » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:26 am

Not even a question. He's one of the few from the past era and today's era that belongs in without having to make exceptions based on the way pitchers are coddled today. I think he'll get in first ballot.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Tavish » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:39 am

Eh, I'll pass on Schilling. He makes my Hall of Good.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Matthias » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:56 am

Tavish wrote:Eh, I'll pass on Schilling. He makes my Hall of Good.

Any particular reason?
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Tavish » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:12 am

Matthias wrote:
Tavish wrote:Eh, I'll pass on Schilling. He makes my Hall of Good.

Any particular reason?

He is a second tier pitcher when compared to his generation. The dropoff from the top tier is pretty large, Schilling had neither the tremendously dominant seasons nor the longevity to get him over the gap. He is David Cone, Bret Saberhagen, Orel Hershisher.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby mweir145 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:38 am

ESPN is playing the Lost World Jurassic Park theme during Schilling's bloody sock highlights... %-6
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