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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby RAmst23 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:31 pm

Guess I'll go the devil's advocate route..

3000 K's is the only stand-out statistic by Curt Schilling to make him a HOF. A 216-146 record with an ERA of 3.46 is certainly a good career, it's in fact very similar to Kevin Brown's 211-144 record with an ERA of 3.28. Orel Hershiser stands at 204-150 with an ERA of 3.48, does he make the Hall as well? What about Bob Welch,Vida Blue, and David Cone?

While Schilling does have a great K/9 ratio and WHIP, does this make him a Hall of Famer over his comparable peers? Schilling does not seem to stand with the list of great pitchers from his era (Clemens, Maddux, RJ, Pedro), but fits in better with many others who were very good but not great.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby astrojester » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:55 pm

TheRawDAWG wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Grounded Polo wrote:Definitely HOF. There's no other guy from his generation I want on the mound in the playoffs over him.


Pedro, Unit, Maddux, Clemens immediately come to mind...



Pedro - 3.40 ERA, 6 - 2, 0 CG

Unit - 3.50ERA, 7 - 9, 3 CG

Maddux - 3.27 ERA, 11 - 14, 2CG,

Clemens - 3.75 ERA, 12 - 8, 1 CG





Schilling - 2.23 ERA, 11 - 2, 4 CG





Hmmmm you'd rather have those guys on the mound in the postseason over Schilling? Got another 4 to put forward as I believe the numbers speak for themselves.

Yeah, Smoltz is probably the closest - 2.65 ERA, 15 - 4, 2 CG, 4 SV
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby TheRawDAWG » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:57 pm

RAmst23 wrote:Guess I'll go the devil's advocate route..

3000 K's is the only stand-out statistic by Curt Schilling to make him a HOF. A 216-146 record with an ERA of 3.46 is certainly a good career, it's in fact very similar to Kevin Brown's 211-144 record with an ERA of 3.28. Orel Hershiser stands at 204-150 with an ERA of 3.48, does he make the Hall as well? What about Bob Welch,Vida Blue, and David Cone?

While Schilling does have a great K/9 ratio and WHIP, does this make him a Hall of Famer over his comparable peers? Schilling does not seem to stand with the list of great pitchers from his era (Clemens, Maddux, RJ, Pedro), but fits in better with many others who were very good but not great.


Gotta take what he did in the postseason as well.

Like someone else has already said, he's the guy I would want out there if we were in the playoffs over anybody else in this ERA....Clemens, Maddux, RJ and Pedro included. That's gotta count for something.


Although I will say this, I'm a little shocked about the low win total. He has played on some very bad teams though.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby DaShiz23 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:01 pm

Welcome to the HoF, Curt! ;-D ;-D

I do not claim to understand the system or voters by any means, but he will be in.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Yanks_Baby » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:05 pm

Grounded Polo wrote:Definitely HOF. There's no other guy from his generation I want on the mound in the playoffs over him.

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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Grounded Polo » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:09 pm

Strasburg is a god, not a man, there was not an error with my statement.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Yoda » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:21 pm

TheRawDAWG wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Grounded Polo wrote:Definitely HOF. There's no other guy from his generation I want on the mound in the playoffs over him.


Pedro, Unit, Maddux, Clemens immediately come to mind...



Pedro - 3.40 ERA, 6 - 2, 0 CG

Unit - 3.50ERA, 7 - 9, 3 CG

Maddux - 3.27 ERA, 11 - 14, 2CG,

Clemens - 3.75 ERA, 12 - 8, 1 CG





Schilling - 2.23 ERA, 11 - 2, 4 CG





Hmmmm you'd rather have those guys on the mound in the postseason over Schilling? Got another 4 to put forward as I believe the numbers speak for themselves.


Yeah because I'm sure those sample sizes are meaningful... ;-7

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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby Carnac » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:05 pm

I don't think anyone is saying he SHOULDN'T go in the HOF. But, with his win total and his politics, he is no lock on the first ballot. Would I want him starting game 7? Absolutely. Does that put him in on first ballot? Absolutely not.

I think he makes the hall, but say less than 50/50 chance on first ballot.

I would vote for him. But, if it was up to me Bert Blyleven would be in already.

Maddux, Smoltz, RJ, Pedro and Glavine should all go in also.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:08 pm

Schilling, Smoltz, Glavine and Mussina are all in the same class. There should be no reason for one to get in and not all. What's funny is that Glavine is probably the worst of that class yet he's the only one who is considered a no-doubter.
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Re: schilling retires. HOF?

Postby AussieDodger » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:18 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:What's funny is that Glavine is probably the worst of that class yet he's the only one who is considered a no-doubter.


Before the haters get to this post I'd like to say........

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