3000 K's is the only stand-out statistic by Curt Schilling to make him a HOF. A 216-146 record with an ERA of 3.46 is certainly a good career, it's in fact very similar to Kevin Brown's 211-144 record with an ERA of 3.28. Orel Hershiser stands at 204-150 with an ERA of 3.48, does he make the Hall as well? What about Bob Welch,Vida Blue, and David Cone?
While Schilling does have a great K/9 ratio and WHIP, does this make him a Hall of Famer over his comparable peers? Schilling does not seem to stand with the list of great pitchers from his era (Clemens, Maddux, RJ, Pedro), but fits in better with many others who were very good but not great.
...Boston papers now and then suffer a sharp flurry of arithmetic on this score; indeed, for Williams to have distributed all his hits so they did nobody else any good would constitute a feat of placement unparalleled in the annals of selfishness. -Updike
Grounded Polo wrote:Definitely HOF. There's no other guy from his generation I want on the mound in the playoffs over him.
Pedro, Unit, Maddux, Clemens immediately come to mind...
Pedro - 3.40 ERA, 6 - 2, 0 CG
Unit - 3.50ERA, 7 - 9, 3 CG
Maddux - 3.27 ERA, 11 - 14, 2CG,
Clemens - 3.75 ERA, 12 - 8, 1 CG
Schilling - 2.23 ERA, 11 - 2, 4 CG
Hmmmm you'd rather have those guys on the mound in the postseason over Schilling? Got another 4 to put forward as I believe the numbers speak for themselves.
Yeah, Smoltz is probably the closest - 2.65 ERA, 15 - 4, 2 CG, 4 SV
RAmst23 wrote:Guess I'll go the devil's advocate route..
3000 K's is the only stand-out statistic by Curt Schilling to make him a HOF. A 216-146 record with an ERA of 3.46 is certainly a good career, it's in fact very similar to Kevin Brown's 211-144 record with an ERA of 3.28. Orel Hershiser stands at 204-150 with an ERA of 3.48, does he make the Hall as well? What about Bob Welch,Vida Blue, and David Cone?
While Schilling does have a great K/9 ratio and WHIP, does this make him a Hall of Famer over his comparable peers? Schilling does not seem to stand with the list of great pitchers from his era (Clemens, Maddux, RJ, Pedro), but fits in better with many others who were very good but not great.
Gotta take what he did in the postseason as well.
Like someone else has already said, he's the guy I would want out there if we were in the playoffs over anybody else in this ERA....Clemens, Maddux, RJ and Pedro included. That's gotta count for something.
Although I will say this, I'm a little shocked about the low win total. He has played on some very bad teams though.
Grounded Polo wrote:Definitely HOF. There's no other guy from his generation I want on the mound in the playoffs over him.
Pedro, Unit, Maddux, Clemens immediately come to mind...
Pedro - 3.40 ERA, 6 - 2, 0 CG
Unit - 3.50ERA, 7 - 9, 3 CG
Maddux - 3.27 ERA, 11 - 14, 2CG,
Clemens - 3.75 ERA, 12 - 8, 1 CG
Schilling - 2.23 ERA, 11 - 2, 4 CG
Hmmmm you'd rather have those guys on the mound in the postseason over Schilling? Got another 4 to put forward as I believe the numbers speak for themselves.
Yeah because I'm sure those sample sizes are meaningful...
And how can you leave out the bloody sock? Intangibles and clutchiness... They win championships!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
I don't think anyone is saying he SHOULDN'T go in the HOF. But, with his win total and his politics, he is no lock on the first ballot. Would I want him starting game 7? Absolutely. Does that put him in on first ballot? Absolutely not.
I think he makes the hall, but say less than 50/50 chance on first ballot.
I would vote for him. But, if it was up to me Bert Blyleven would be in already.
Maddux, Smoltz, RJ, Pedro and Glavine should all go in also.
Schilling, Smoltz, Glavine and Mussina are all in the same class. There should be no reason for one to get in and not all. What's funny is that Glavine is probably the worst of that class yet he's the only one who is considered a no-doubter.
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by RAmst23 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:31 pm 
