Dodgerbluesc wrote:Lee is much better than Bay. I'm not even going to go into all the ways how, but he is much better than Bay. The only way I find Bay to be of more value is if Lee goes in the 2nd round and Bay doesn't go until the 5th round, which won't happen. Don't forget 2007 from Bay.
Lee has been injured once. It can't be said he suffers freak injuries during his hot years. His 2007 was a "Hot" year better than Bays 2007. His 2006 was a "Hot" year better than Bays 2006. He only missed one game, read it again, one game, between 2005-2007. One game in 3 full seasons. To say he suffers freak injuries in his hot years is a serious mis-statement.
Unfortunately in fantasy baseball, we don't have a perfect attendance award. We go by standard statistics and Bay's numbers and ADP make him a MUCH better value than Lee. Look at HR, Runs scored, RBI, Line up, SB in combo with the fact that you can get him 2 rounds later... advantage Bay.
What what what? Sorry bud, number of games played certainly does make a difference. If Lee had played more than 115 games last year he would destroyed Bay in the majority of those categories. As it is he had an AVG 30 points higher and Bay only had 3 more HR and 1 more RBI - in a full season. In 2007 Lee beat Bay in every single category you mentioned. Lee had 32 HR, Bay 21. Lee scored 93 runs, Bay scored 78. Lee had 119 RBI, Bay had 84. Lee had 10 SB. Bay had 4.
The last 3 years they've both averaged exactly 562 AB. In that time Lee has averaged 3 more HR, 14 more RBI, 3 more SB and 30, yes 30 points in average. The only category where Bay has faired better is R, a 12 R advantage.
So what are you even talking about? Not only are his stats markedly better, but you're also paying for consistency - one of the most important factors in all of fantasy.
Next time you choose to call out my comments you should make sure you know what you're talking about and not just throwing something out there because you have a personal liking for a player. Lee is much better than Bay. Lee puts up Tex numbers in the early 3rd round. Bay puts up numbers closer to Jermaine Dye, only about 10 rounds earlier.
To me Carlos Lee is definitely the better player than Jason Bay. Dodgerbluesc lays out a good argument.
I see the whole "value" question. But a quick check of the ADP at mockdraftcentral has Lee at 27 and Bay at 33. On top of that I have done a couple of drafts where Bay has gone ahead of Lee. The whole "value" argument of passing on Lee because you can snag Bay the next round doesn't work because most likely Bay won't be around when the draft gets back to you.
Bay put up less than 30 HRs's twice - once in his rookie year and once playing through an injury. at the same point in careers, Lee was putting up identical numbers. Who can say that Bay, who is 2 years younger and 4 years behind Lee (as to when they came into the league) isn't a 30/100 guy?
I just don't get why people can't look past one bad year from Bay. Career averages always tell the full story and Bay is younger and almost identical to Lee.
Lee's first few full seasons, he was approximately 25/80/.270-.280 (estimating)
Bay was 30/100/.290 minus the injury year (and the year after it was 31/100/.290)
They both received ROY votes, they've both been mentioned as MVP candidates in certain years. You can't really say that one is that much "better" than the other. There's a reason the ADP is only 6 picks apart...
Well I think we start seeing a decline in Lee's numbers sine the Steroid era is over, lol but Seriously Bay is in his Prime and expect to see big numbers especially in Boston, Lee has reached his peak, Lee's only advantage he plays in a small ball park.
Comment on mine, please? viewtopic.php?f=29&t=372721
Dodgerbluesc wrote:Lee is much better than Bay. I'm not even going to go into all the ways how, but he is much better than Bay. The only way I find Bay to be of more value is if Lee goes in the 2nd round and Bay doesn't go until the 5th round, which won't happen. Don't forget 2007 from Bay.
Lee has been injured once. It can't be said he suffers freak injuries during his hot years. His 2007 was a "Hot" year better than Bays 2007. His 2006 was a "Hot" year better than Bays 2006. He only missed one game, read it again, one game, between 2005-2007. One game in 3 full seasons. To say he suffers freak injuries in his hot years is a serious mis-statement.
Unfortunately in fantasy baseball, we don't have a perfect attendance award. We go by standard statistics and Bay's numbers and ADP make him a MUCH better value than Lee. Look at HR, Runs scored, RBI, Line up, SB in combo with the fact that you can get him 2 rounds later... advantage Bay.
What what what? Sorry bud, number of games played certainly does make a difference. If Lee had played more than 115 games last year he would destroyed Bay in the majority of those categories. As it is he had an AVG 30 points higher and Bay only had 3 more HR and 1 more RBI - in a full season. In 2007 Lee beat Bay in every single category you mentioned. Lee had 32 HR, Bay 21. Lee scored 93 runs, Bay scored 78. Lee had 119 RBI, Bay had 84. Lee had 10 SB. Bay had 4.
The last 3 years they've both averaged exactly 562 AB. In that time Lee has averaged 3 more HR, 14 more RBI, 3 more SB and 30, yes 30 points in average. The only category where Bay has faired better is R, a 12 R advantage.
So what are you even talking about? Not only are his stats markedly better, but you're also paying for consistency - one of the most important factors in all of fantasy.
Next time you choose to call out my comments you should make sure you know what you're talking about and not just throwing something out there because you have a personal liking for a player. Lee is much better than Bay. Lee puts up Tex numbers in the early 3rd round. Bay puts up numbers closer to Jermaine Dye, only about 10 rounds earlier.
Numbers are numbers.....rant all you want. check a stat sheet.
rails80 wrote:Where do you see Bay hitting 6th? All the projections I've looked at have him in the 5 spot.
J.D. Drew is expected to hit fifth in the Red Sox's order in 2009.
He'll be preceded in the order by Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, David Ortiz and Kevin Youkilis, giving him plenty of run-producing opportunities for as long as he's able to remain healthy. Source: Redsox.mlb.com
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by Dodgerbluesc » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:54 am 
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