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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby fbc_fan » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:26 pm

hybrid wrote:
DSheppard wrote:
hybrid wrote:Never really understood why Byrd got the obvious nod over him...


Byrd was legitimately a good player the last 2 years and is doing well to start this year, he deserves playing time. Murphy's PT could be toast though.


He's an average player at best, why you keep that in the line up instead of seeing what someone w/ Jones talent will give you is silly IMO.


actually i was thinking the same thing. i had to go look it up in prospectus but byrd's VORP for the last two years was 25ish in 450 pas. not too shabby. i was surprised to say the least.
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby hybrid » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:29 pm

Take away his home stats and he really isn't much of a hitter.
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby fbc_fan » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:32 pm

agreed. it was still somewhat of a surprise that he was that productive.
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby gmq » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:38 pm

Is it a consensus that Jones' collapse was due to probably steroid use, or? What else could do it? He developed some psychological issues?
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby hybrid » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:44 pm

gmq wrote:Is it a consensus that Jones' collapse was due to probably steroid use, or? What else could do it? He developed some psychological issues?


I think the consensus is that he got fat and lazy, just didn't take care of himself at all. Not to mention his swing has always been a bit long and prone to slumps/k's.
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby WickedSmaat » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:21 am

could have been those orange glasses, or is he still trying to use those?
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby DSheppard » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:24 pm

You cant just take a players road stats and use those as his "real" self, thats not how it works.
Applying a park factor to all his stats is much better analysis, and won't be nearly the huge hit simply looking at road stats is for byrd in particular.

1) Sample size. Don't ever delete half your sample size. A couple partial seasons is a small sample as it is, you can't ignore half of it.
2) MLB home/road splits.. the league as a whole typically has a ~35 point or so split.
3) Road schedule.. the rangers play a disproportionate number of road games in the other 3 al west parks, all pitchers parks who have generally had above average pitching in recent history.
4) History.. the rangers ballpark has historically had about a 90 point ops split for the team between home/road.. When compared to the league with 35 point split its significant and obviously a hitters park, but when you see the occasional 200+ point split you cant decide thats the "real" advantage.

and various other contributing factors...
sorry to rant a bit, but its an argument i see used all the time.
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby garf112 » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:17 pm

i'm andruw jones and i am hitting .600.
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby gmq » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:06 pm

PT for AJ! Let's get this show on the road Andy!
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Re: Whoa...an Andruw Jones sighting!

Postby rookies and cream » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:44 pm

Very curious how TEX is going to handle this. I realize that Byrd/Murphy are going to see a PT decrease, but I really hope Davis doesn't lose a lot of AB's also.
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