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by **Kraftwerk** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:28 pm

No Adam Dunn?

by **Matthias** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:32 pm

RenPastana wrote:wait...Ellsbury's OPS is higher than Victorino's who is not even on the list? Makes no sense

No; GTWMA is saying that in his league that counts OPS, Ellsbury is ranked higher than Victorino. Assumedly, his league is more categories than 1x1.

by **GotowarMissAgnes** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:06 am

Matthias wrote:
RenPastana wrote:wait...Ellsbury's OPS is higher than Victorino's who is not even on the list? Makes no sense

No; GTWMA is saying that in his league that counts OPS, Ellsbury is ranked higher than Victorino. Assumedly, his league is more categories than 1x1.

Yes, my league is 6x6, the traditional 5, plus OPS. So the ranking here are based on my league historical values in my league.

by **markj11** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:13 am

It's strange that Crawford is above Holliday, it's even stranger that Crawford is above Holliday in a OPS league.

by **GotowarMissAgnes** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:16 am

beefcurtain wrote:Good call with Cust. Why is Howard so high on the list? His OPS isnt usually high enough to bump him up 4-6 spots.

And Kinsler at +30? I was considering taking him at 15. Is that a mistake?

Most projections, including CHONE show a big drop in OPS for Kinsler, putting him in the .815 to .835 range. CHONE, which are used here, also show a big decline in BA and fewer SBs.

CHONE (and others) are projecting a rebound for Howard, an OPS in the .950-.965 range and a BA around .270.

by **GotowarMissAgnes** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:18 am

markj11 wrote:It's strange that Crawford is above Holliday, it's even stranger that Crawford is above Holliday in a OPS league.

Not strange if you look at the CHONE projections:

Holliday: 93/23/91/14/.286/.836
Crawford: 89/14/73/38/.298/.797

Basically, Crawford's SBs and slight BA advantage offset the rest.

by **GotowarMissAgnes** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:20 am

Kraftwerk wrote:No Adam Dunn?

Again, take a look at the CHONE projections, which are what the list is based on. Dunn is projected to hit .238 with just an .864 OPS.

For my rankings, I use a composite projection, but I have not done that yet. If there's a lot of interest in having a ranking for 6x6 using OPS, I can see if I have time to do that, but might need some help.

by **Matthias** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:02 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
Kraftwerk wrote:No Adam Dunn?

Again, take a look at the CHONE projections, which are what the list is based on. Dunn is projected to hit .238 with just an .864 OPS.

For my rankings, I use a composite projection, but I have not done that yet. If there's a lot of interest in having a ranking for 6x6 using OPS, I can see if I have time to do that, but might need some help.

You can take a look at what projection systems they use, but lastplayerpicked.com does customized auction values, which are obviously also functional as a straight draft order.

by **J35J** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:48 am

I think everyone already has this info since I'm just cutting and pasting from my latest spreadsheet version but here are C and 1B. I'll post more as I get time here at work. !+)

Brian McCann	0.903
Matt Wieters	0.894
Chris Iannetta	0.864
Joe Mauer	0.863
Victor Martinez	0.835
Geovany Soto	0.833
Mike Napoli	0.833
Jarrod Saltalamacchia	0.827
Russell Martin	0.819
Jorge Posada	0.815
Taylor Teagarden	0.815
Ryan Doumit	0.806
Miguel Montero	0.795
Kelly Shoppach	0.788
Chris Snyder	0.786
Dioner Navarro	0.776
Jeff Clement	0.770
Bengie Molina	0.757
John Baker	0.745
Yadier Molina	0.739
Pablo Sandoval	0.738
Kurt Suzuki	0.737
J.R. Towles	0.735
Gerald Laird	0.731
A.J. Pierzynski	0.722
Ramon Hernandez	0.720
Jeff Mathis	0.720
Michael Barrett	0.720
Brian Schneider	0.719
Ivan Rodriguez	0.718
Brandon Inge	0.713
Miguel Olivo	0.713
Carlos Ruiz	0.710
Paul Lo Duca	0.705
Ronny Paulino	0.700
Jesus Flores	0.695
Jason Varitek	0.693
Kenji Johjima	0.689
Jason Kendall	0.662
Josh Bard	0.659

Albert Pujols	1.072
David Ortiz	0.967
Lance Berkman	0.961
Miguel Cabrera	0.956
Prince Fielder	0.941
Mark Teixeira	0.938
Joey Votto	0.919
Ryan Howard	0.913
Carlos Pena	0.902
Adam Dunn	0.896
Jim Thome	0.893
Adrian Gonzalez	0.892
Justin Morneau	0.883
Kevin Youkilis	0.878
Todd Helton	0.868
Derrek Lee	0.863
Paul Konerko	0.861
Carlos Delgado	0.860
Jason Giambi	0.857
Chris Davis	0.851
Conor Jackson	0.851
Garrett Atkins	0.845
Aubrey Huff	0.838
Casey Kotchman	0.835
Victor Martinez	0.835
Hank Blalock	0.832
Adam LaRoche	0.829
Carlos Guillen	0.827
Nick Swisher	0.822
Ryan Garko	0.819
Travis Hafner	0.815
James Loney	0.810
Mike Jacobs	0.810
Chad Tracy	0.810
Jorge Cantu	0.800
Daric Barton	0.791
Billy Butler	0.789
Casey Blake	0.783
Lyle Overbay	0.777
Jose Lopez	0.776
Kendry Morales	0.745
Pablo Sandoval	0.738

by **socceryank** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:14 pm

Can you guys shed some light into how the OPS projections should be interpreted when comparing players in their overall batting projections? Should it be looked upon as just another category as HR's, or will the OPS indicate which player should fare better across the board in all hitting categories? For instance, should the 1B rankings be interpreted to indicate that Berkman is projected to put up better all around batting stats than MCab, and possibly be drafted before him? Or is OPS just another independent piece of the puzzle?