GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I think you need to take a look at his earlier career in the minors. A full year at A-. A full year at A. A full year at A+. And then more than a full year at AA/AAA. In total, he had more 2000 PAs in the minors
Compare that to several other 1B who started at age 20/21 as Howard did:
Teixeira: under 500 minor leage PAs.
Chris Davis: about 1100
Cojack: about 1250
Adam Laroche and Billy Butler: about 1750
Now, Davis and Teixeira you can rightfully say hit better than Howard, though after park adjustments it's pretty darn close. But, none of the other three approached Howard's production and yet he spent half a season to 2 seasons more time in the minors than they did.
Howard was moved incredibly slow through the minors, never pushed in any way. Could have been the right move or not. But, there's no doubt he was moved a lot slower than other players who showed similar performance.
So where do you think he should of been promoted faster?
-Low A-, only 169 AB, didn't really hit that well, didn't show that much power, and k'd a lot. Also its short season ball, they couldn't of moved him anywhere after the season and he didn't deserve it either.
-Low A, pretty much more of the same...
-High A, you could of pushed him a bit more maybe, but he still was striking out way to much and I think it was the right move
-AA/AAA, I already went over pretty much. He destroyed AA, so they moved him up. Theey had Thome so they couldnt be too agressive, and he got his shot after 300+ AB in AAA. I don't see how they could of done anymore in the situation and the surely didn't stall him to a half at any level.
I don't get any of the comparisons either, just because of PA's? Seems like such an odd way of saying you were right. Ryan Howard was a very rare player, you certainly can't compare him to someone like Tex, Jackson, or Butler in any sense of the word. Chris Davis a bit more similiar but even then, he lit up AA/AAA as a 22 year old, while Howard was still in Low A, not doing nearly as much at the same age.
I'm just not inclined to move hitters fast when they are obviously showing a lack of contact. The Phillies did a pretty solid job and I doubt anyone can complain with the result. Even if you think they could of pushed him a bit, it certainly didn't take forever.