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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby Ender » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:04 pm

You can't judge the quality of a start in baseball when ER is a major part of the equation. You go 6 IP with 10 hits and 5 BB but somehow get 0 ER you didn't have a quality start, I dont' care if you had quality results.

But to keep this in the context of what to do with a league like this, go after good pitchers who have a high IP per start value. Guys like Sabathia, Halladay etc. Stay away from guys who don't go deep into games like a Harden or Kazmir.

Also look for groundball pitchers and guys who don't walk a lot of people, they tend to be a bit more consistent game to game. Also a team with a good bullpen can help out here, especially good middle relief.
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby Yoda » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:05 am

QS is still better than W's.
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby tribefan08 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:11 am

agree on that, wins are a joke, so random
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby Maris09 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:33 am

JTWood wrote:6 innings with a 4.50 ERA? That's a quality start.

God forbid you go 8 innings with a 4.50 ERA, though. That's not a quality start.

And don't even get me started on a complete game where one were to go 9 innings with a 4.00 ERA!
There's no chance in hell that's a quality start!!!

I was all for QS over Wins before I read this.

Is there any other alternative?
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby CadensDad » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:10 am

tribefan08 wrote:agree on that, wins are a joke, so random



Yea, anyone can get them
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby JTWood » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:23 am

Maris09 wrote:
JTWood wrote:6 innings with a 4.50 ERA? That's a quality start.

God forbid you go 8 innings with a 4.50 ERA, though. That's not a quality start.

And don't even get me started on a complete game where one were to go 9 innings with a 4.00 ERA!
There's no chance in hell that's a quality start!!!

I was all for QS over Wins before I read this.

Is there any other alternative?

I didn't mean to talk you out of it. I still prefer QS. If nothing else, it gives value to the pitchers on teams with poor offenses.
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby JTWood » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:24 am

CadensDad wrote:
tribefan08 wrote:agree on that, wins are a joke, so random

Yea, anyone can get them

I got 2 just now.
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby Matthias » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:33 am

JTWood wrote:
Maris09 wrote:
JTWood wrote:6 innings with a 4.50 ERA? That's a quality start.

God forbid you go 8 innings with a 4.50 ERA, though. That's not a quality start.

And don't even get me started on a complete game where one were to go 9 innings with a 4.00 ERA!
There's no chance in hell that's a quality start!!!

I was all for QS over Wins before I read this.

Is there any other alternative?

I didn't mean to talk you out of it. I still prefer QS. If nothing else, it gives value to the pitchers on teams with poor offenses.

As has been discussed at length before, QS have their own bias. You're taking out a bias of favoring pitchers who are on teams with good offenses and inserting a bias of favoring pitchers who pitch in the National League or in a more pitcher-friendly park. To be sure, it's a different bias, but the idea that QS is a "clean" measure versus Ws which are "dirty" just isn't accurate.
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby fezzik » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:41 am

JTWood wrote:
CadensDad wrote:
tribefan08 wrote:agree on that, wins are a joke, so random

Yea, anyone can get them

I got 2 just now.


JTWood FTW!
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Re: What's a "Quality Start"?

Postby Matthias » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:57 am

fezzik wrote:
JTWood wrote:
CadensDad wrote:Yea, anyone can get them

I got 2 just now.


JTWood FTW!

So does that make 3?
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