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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby pokerplaya » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:14 pm

Alex Ochoa

But what exactly are we calling the "5 tools"? If memory serves, defense is one of those tools...were all these guys defensively sound as well or is my definition of 5 tools wrong?
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby Yoda » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:18 pm

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Yoda wrote:Corey Patterson should be near the top. Austin Kearns also.



I wouldn't say they're failed prospects as they've had decent careers are still reasonably young at 30 and 29 though they for sure have not been as good as advertised. I would have said Marlon Byrd until last year as well and Josh Hamilton until 2 years ago.


You are not being consistent with your criteria since some of the guys you listed, notably Jefferey Hammonds, lasted 13 seasons in the MLB.

And Rivera stole Jeter's glove not his bat. But anyway...
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby Havok1517 » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:05 pm

Yoda wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
Yoda wrote:Corey Patterson should be near the top. Austin Kearns also.



I wouldn't say they're failed prospects as they've had decent careers are still reasonably young at 30 and 29 though they for sure have not been as good as advertised. I would have said Marlon Byrd until last year as well and Josh Hamilton until 2 years ago.


You are not being consistent with your criteria since some of the guys you listed, notably Jefferey Hammonds, lasted 13 seasons in the MLB.

And Rivera stole Jeter's glove not his bat. But anyway...


Difference bring that at least Kearns and to a certain degree Patterson are still active.
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby Yoda » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:59 pm

whatever... :-b
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby Oliver1212 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:43 am

pokerplaya wrote:Alex Ochoa

But what exactly are we calling the "5 tools"? If memory serves, defense is one of those tools...were all these guys defensively sound as well or is my definition of 5 tools wrong?


Are you questioning my Ochoa vote?
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby kab21 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:48 am

Is defensively sound and defensive tool the same definition?

For example Alexi Casilla has great defensive tools but he uses them poorly (poor positioning after the ball is hit, rushing throws, bobbling grounders).
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby Havok1517 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:55 am

kab21 wrote:Is defensively sound and defensive tool the same definition?

For example Alexi Casilla has great defensive tools but he uses them poorly (poor positioning after the ball is hit, rushing throws, bobbling grounders).


I think it comes down to defensive potential not actuality.
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby Armed and Hammered » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:43 am

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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby AussieDodger » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:46 am

Armed and Hammered wrote:Billy Beane



LOL.

When Oakland traded for him I think they got something better then a 5 tool OFer. :-D
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Re: Failed 5-Tool OFs

Postby pokerplaya » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:40 pm

Oliver1212 wrote:
pokerplaya wrote:Alex Ochoa

But what exactly are we calling the "5 tools"? If memory serves, defense is one of those tools...were all these guys defensively sound as well or is my definition of 5 tools wrong?


Are you questioning my Ochoa vote?


No, I was nominating him myself. I didn't see that you had already posted Ochoa. ;-D
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