Failed 5-Tool OFs

[pokerplaya]

Alex Ochoa

But what exactly are we calling the "5 tools"? If memory serves, defense is one of those tools...were all these guys defensively sound as well or is my definition of 5 tools wrong?

[Yoda]

Corey Patterson should be near the top. Austin Kearns also.

I wouldn't say they're failed prospects as they've had decent careers are still reasonably young at 30 and 29 though they for sure have not been as good as advertised. I would have said Marlon Byrd until last year as well and Josh Hamilton until 2 years ago.

You are not being consistent with your criteria since some of the guys you listed, notably Jefferey Hammonds, lasted 13 seasons in the MLB.

And Rivera stole Jeter's glove not his bat. But anyway...

[Havok1517]

Corey Patterson should be near the top. Austin Kearns also.

I wouldn't say they're failed prospects as they've had decent careers are still reasonably young at 30 and 29 though they for sure have not been as good as advertised. I would have said Marlon Byrd until last year as well and Josh Hamilton until 2 years ago.

You are not being consistent with your criteria since some of the guys you listed, notably Jefferey Hammonds, lasted 13 seasons in the MLB.

And Rivera stole Jeter's glove not his bat. But anyway...

Difference bring that at least Kearns and to a certain degree Patterson are still active.

[Yoda]

whatever...

[Oliver1212]

Alex Ochoa

But what exactly are we calling the "5 tools"? If memory serves, defense is one of those tools...were all these guys defensively sound as well or is my definition of 5 tools wrong?

Are you questioning my Ochoa vote?

[kab21]

Is defensively sound and defensive tool the same definition?

For example Alexi Casilla has great defensive tools but he uses them poorly (poor positioning after the ball is hit, rushing throws, bobbling grounders).

[Havok1517]

Is defensively sound and defensive tool the same definition?

For example Alexi Casilla has great defensive tools but he uses them poorly (poor positioning after the ball is hit, rushing throws, bobbling grounders).

I think it comes down to defensive potential not actuality.

[Armed and Hammered]

Gabe Kapler
Billy Beane

[AussieDodger]

Billy Beane

LOL.

When Oakland traded for him I think they got something better then a 5 tool OFer.

[pokerplaya]

Alex Ochoa

But what exactly are we calling the "5 tools"? If memory serves, defense is one of those tools...were all these guys defensively sound as well or is my definition of 5 tools wrong?

Are you questioning my Ochoa vote?

No, I was nominating him myself. I didn't see that you had already posted Ochoa.