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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby j24jags » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:19 pm

I recently took Alexei in my 14 teamer, but I had B-Rob rated ahead of him and B-Rob went before him. Alexei has more upside, but if I had to guess I'd say B-Rob has the better year.
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby DaShiz23 » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:52 pm

Does Robert's age and recent contract signing concern anyone? I do not see a major decline, but do not see an improvement. Alexei hits in a hitters ballpark, and I think Ozzie will give him the green light whenever, as Ozzie may be fighting for his job this year. His antics may seal his fate if they do not win.
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby fezzik » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:23 pm

Roberts...but it's not because I'm exceptionally high on Roberts. I just don't think Alexei is going to do much this season...at least compared to his ADP. 2B is one of those positions where I see a huge drop off after the first two...and the variance in production I see from the third ranked 2B to the fourteenth isn't that great IMO. Certainly not large enough to warrant drafting someone 10-12 rounds earlier...but that's just me I guess. :-)
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby DaShiz23 » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:31 pm

fezzik wrote:Roberts...but it's not because I'm exceptionally high on Roberts. I just don't think Alexei is going to do much this season...at least compared to his ADP. 2B is one of those positions where I see a huge drop off after the first two...and the variance in production I see from the third ranked 2B to the fourteenth isn't that great IMO. Certainly not large enough to warrant drafting someone 10-12 rounds earlier...but that's just me I guess. :-)

Does this change at all if you have Alexei as your SS? Is Alexei the obvious 2nd tier at that position after the big three?
I feel that if you draft him as this, you should have great value. IMO, Hanley, Reyes, and Rollins make up tier 1; Alexei makes up tier 2; and Drew, Furcal, Young, Tulo, Hardy, Peralta, and Jeter make up tier 3 (or however you rank this group).
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby fezzik » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:55 pm

DaShiz23 wrote:
fezzik wrote:Roberts...but it's not because I'm exceptionally high on Roberts. I just don't think Alexei is going to do much this season...at least compared to his ADP. 2B is one of those positions where I see a huge drop off after the first two...and the variance in production I see from the third ranked 2B to the fourteenth isn't that great IMO. Certainly not large enough to warrant drafting someone 10-12 rounds earlier...but that's just me I guess. :-)

Does this change at all if you have Alexei as your SS? Is Alexei the obvious 2nd tier at that position after the big three?
I feel that if you draft him as this, you should have great value. IMO, Hanley, Reyes, and Rollins make up tier 1; Alexei makes up tier 2; and Drew, Furcal, Young, Tulo, Hardy, Peralta, and Jeter make up tier 3 (or however you rank this group).


I'm just not as high on Alexei as most people are this year, so since I'm in the minority you might want to take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I'm really concerned about his SB%, OBP, and K/BB ratio...they worry me, even knowing he's been working on his base-running blah blah blah...I don't believe he's as powerful as his HR's from last year indicate either, but only time will tell.

For me I lump him in with that third tier of guys you mentioned after the big three at SS...it's a similar situation, with no true 2nd tier SS IMO. In my rankings I have Stephen Drew a little ahead of Alexei, but many would scream blasphemy at such a thing. The best bargain I see at SS is Hardy, who seems to consistently go later than I would expect.

But you can't just say "screw it" to both 2B and SS if you don't get a first tier guy...typically in a draft bargains will present themselves to you, someone will slip, and you just have to be aware of it...based on whatever rankings/tiers you are using.
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby DaShiz23 » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:00 pm

fezzik wrote:
DaShiz23 wrote:
fezzik wrote:Roberts...but it's not because I'm exceptionally high on Roberts. I just don't think Alexei is going to do much this season...at least compared to his ADP. 2B is one of those positions where I see a huge drop off after the first two...and the variance in production I see from the third ranked 2B to the fourteenth isn't that great IMO. Certainly not large enough to warrant drafting someone 10-12 rounds earlier...but that's just me I guess. :-)

Does this change at all if you have Alexei as your SS? Is Alexei the obvious 2nd tier at that position after the big three?
I feel that if you draft him as this, you should have great value. IMO, Hanley, Reyes, and Rollins make up tier 1; Alexei makes up tier 2; and Drew, Furcal, Young, Tulo, Hardy, Peralta, and Jeter make up tier 3 (or however you rank this group).


I'm just not as high on Alexei as most people are this year, so since I'm in the minority you might want to take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I'm really concerned about his SB%, OBP, and K/BB ratio...they worry me, even knowing he's been working on his base-running blah blah blah...I don't believe he's as powerful as his HR's from last year indicate either, but only time will tell.

For me I lump him in with that third tier of guys you mentioned after the big three at SS...it's a similar situation, with no true 2nd tier SS IMO. In my rankings I have Stephen Drew a little ahead of Alexei, but many would scream blasphemy at such a thing. The best bargain I see at SS is Hardy, who seems to consistently go later than I would expect.

But you can't just say "screw it" to both 2B and SS if you don't get a first tier guy...typically in a draft bargains will present themselves to you, someone will slip, and you just have to be aware of it...based on whatever rankings/tiers you are using.

I hear what you are saying. I mainly ask because I grabbed Phillips in the 3rd, and Alexie in the 5th to shore up my 2B and SS spots, and am pretty happy about it. ;-D
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby fezzik » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:06 pm

DaShiz23 wrote:I hear what you are saying. I mainly ask because I grabbed Phillips in the 3rd, and Alexie in the 5th to shore up my 2B and SS spots, and am pretty happy about it. ;-D


In my 12 team cafe league Phillips went at 3.07 and Alexei at 5.06, so that sounds about right. ;-D
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby DaShiz23 » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:36 pm

fezzik wrote:
DaShiz23 wrote:I hear what you are saying. I mainly ask because I grabbed Phillips in the 3rd, and Alexie in the 5th to shore up my 2B and SS spots, and am pretty happy about it. ;-D


In my 12 team cafe league Phillips went at 3.07 and Alexei at 5.06, so that sounds about right. ;-D

Did we just become best friends? :-D
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby fezzik » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:49 pm

DaShiz23 wrote:
fezzik wrote:
DaShiz23 wrote:I hear what you are saying. I mainly ask because I grabbed Phillips in the 3rd, and Alexie in the 5th to shore up my 2B and SS spots, and am pretty happy about it. ;-D


In my 12 team cafe league Phillips went at 3.07 and Alexei at 5.06, so that sounds about right. ;-D

Did we just become best friends? :-D


No, I'm just nice to everyone (not that you aren't special...I'm sure you're special in your own way :-b )...I should probably stop it before some of you guys get the wrong idea. I'm already having to ignore PM's from Aussie. :-D

I'll try to concentrate on being more of an ass...or at the very least impart my questionably sage wisdom with a self-righteousness that will surely annoy. ;-)
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Re: Brian Roberts vs Alexei

Postby Maris09 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:59 am

DaShiz23 wrote:Did we just become best friends? :-D

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