Having a Dilemma...This Trade was just Vetoed

[pre1322]

I'm in a 14-team dynasty H2H league on Yahoo with 6x6 stats (OPS and HLDs included).

I wasn't involved in it, but 2 guys completed this trade:

Team A gets:
Hanley Ramirez
Ryan Zimmerman

Team B gets:
Evan Longoria
Stephen Drew

I thought it was legit, especially in a dynasty where there are so many variables over so many years, but the rest of the league saw fit to veto the deal. One guy even put his rationale up, using THIS YEAR'S rankings as the reason for his veto (1st and 69th for 15th and 67th). He sent out an email to everyone and everything to get us to veto.

So I thought, okay whatever, if they want to veto, all the power to them, I think it's dumb, but...

And now, the same two guys have added Josh Johnson to the Team B side...which I don't think is very fair, as they are now trying to make a deal seem fair in the eye of the league, which could end up being a huuuuuge steal the other way as close as the middle of this year.

Should I say something, voice my opinion about what's going on, and maybe suggest that LEGITIMATE rationale be posted when vetoing? Or just sit back and watch it all happen? I can't help but feel someone is getting screwed here...

[GOGOGADGETFLOW]

I would say that Team A rips off Team B by ALOT.

[Tenacious D-Store]

Some people are really high on Drew and down on Zimmerman. It's not a trade I would make, but I cannot dictate to others in my leagues as to how the must manage their teams whether I am just another owner or the commish. Just because I wouldn't make the trade does not allow me to justifiably vote against it. There is nothing to suggest that their is any sort of collusion involved here. You cannot ethically vote against a trade simply because you don't like it. This is a little something from the the league constitution of a keeper league I run.

- When should I veto a pending trade?
The power to veto a pending trade is given to protect managers against collusion, which is a form of cheating where both managers knowingly attempt to benefit one manager at the expense of the rest of the league. Refusing a trade on the grounds that you perceive it to unfairly benefit one manager is not, under normal circumstances, a legitimate reason to veto a trade. The ability to trade players is a central part of this game.

[jmurphy_j]

I hate leagues that don't understand how to use the veto tool. (So I must be a masochist since I play in a couple of Yahoo public leagues every year)

Clearly, the 1st trade should not have been vetoed. But you are in a catch-22 when it comes to the 2nd trade.

I understand the instinct to vote against the 2nd trade...as both a protest against the 1st trade being vetoed and because it is actually a less balanced trade...but then you are stooping to their level. It would feel good at the time, but you wont respect yourself in the morning.

The 2nd trade is worse than the 1st one...but probably isn't bad enough to be vetoed. It's not actually collusion, they're just trying to appease those that vetoed the 1st trade. But don't worry, if your league is as veto happy as it appears to be, the second trade probably wont go through either. Some leagues just wont let any trades involving top-25 level players go through.

The part of your story that I find most infuriating, though, is that one manager took it upon himself to lobby against the trade and actually urged other managers to vote against it. He should have kept his mouth shut and let the process take it's course. Every manager should be allowed to make up their own mind about a trade. One loud-mouth shouldn't have increased influence over which trades go through. What that managerd did was bush-league....and you can tell him I said so.

You can also tell him that that seasonal rankings are absolutely meaningless in a Dynasty league. Especially when you are talking about Yahoo's rankings....which always suck anyway. Theoretically, trading an aging stud (like David Ortiz) for several prospects not even in Yahoo's top 150 (guys like Price, Scherzer, and LaPorta) might make perfect sense,,,even thought the rankings wont come close to matching up.

The only good news is that many of the managers in your league obviously don't grasp the concept of how a Dynasty league works, so long term you should be able to have a lot of success.