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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby KCollins1304 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:33 pm

Matthias wrote:
ayebatter wrote:
Matthias wrote:
Basically, he didn't get any more money, just another team.

With a huge Mexican American fan base, in a part of the country where locals grew up in cities and streets starting with words like San-Los-Via-Calle, where he's loved for being Manny, not reviled for being Manny. ;-D

edit: where the name Ramirez takes up as many pages of the phone books as Smith & Jones.

It also potentially cost Manny another WS ring. Bay is not Manny as a hitter and the Red Sox in the second half were not nearly the team they were in the first. Not to take anything away from the Rays, they had a great season, but if Manny had stayed in Boston, he at least would've had a shot at a third.


It's a two way street though and you could say the Red Sox cost themselves a WS by not picking up Manny's options and keeping him happy.
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby Yoda » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:41 pm

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Matthias wrote:So Manny and Boras went through all this to get $5MM more in contract amount (and probably much less in real amount since it sounds like the Dodger money is deferred) than the two Red Sox options at $20MM per that was so onerous? I mean, I can see it from Boras' perspective since he wasn't Manny's agent when Manny did the deal with Boston so wasn't getting anything out of it, but from Manny's perspective..... dang. That has to be disappointing.

Basically, he didn't get any more money, just another team.


Hard to see how bad this market was going to be last summer when everything went down. But yeah, has to be disappointing for him.


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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby ayebatter » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:07 pm

AussieDodger wrote:
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AussieDodger wrote:LAME



What's lame is Oakland fan's thinking they'll have Holliday past the trade dead line. :-D


I never said I thought that :-S :-S


*cough*paying your 4th OFer 9 million a year *cough*


;-7


But he's fast, think Oakland would trade Holliday for him. :-D
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby mweir145 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:37 pm

Matthias wrote:So Manny and Boras went through all this to get $5MM more in contract amount (and probably much less in real amount since it sounds like the Dodger money is deferred) than the two Red Sox options at $20MM per that was so onerous? I mean, I can see it from Boras' perspective since he wasn't Manny's agent when Manny did the deal with Boston so wasn't getting anything out of it, but from Manny's perspective..... dang. That has to be disappointing.

Basically, he didn't get any more money, just another team.

He's way cooler now that he's on the Dodgers. He did it for his rep. :-D
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby mweir145 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:38 pm

Oh, and it looks like Boras got what he wanted in these negotiations. Not a surprise.
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby mweir145 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:41 pm

KCollins1304 wrote:
Matthias wrote:
ayebatter wrote:With a huge Mexican American fan base, in a part of the country where locals grew up in cities and streets starting with words like San-Los-Via-Calle, where he's loved for being Manny, not reviled for being Manny. ;-D

edit: where the name Ramirez takes up as many pages of the phone books as Smith & Jones.

It also potentially cost Manny another WS ring. Bay is not Manny as a hitter and the Red Sox in the second half were not nearly the team they were in the first. Not to take anything away from the Rays, they had a great season, but if Manny had stayed in Boston, he at least would've had a shot at a third.


It's a two way street though and you could say the Red Sox cost themselves a WS by not picking up Manny's options and keeping him happy.

So glad that didn't happen...can you imagine Papelbon celebrating another WS victory? I can't imagine being able to deal with it, I'd have to stop watching baseball.
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby hybrid » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:57 pm

Matthias wrote:It also potentially cost Manny another WS ring. Bay is not Manny as a hitter and the Red Sox in the second half were not nearly the team they were in the first. Not to take anything away from the Rays, they had a great season, but if Manny had stayed in Boston, he at least would've had a shot at a third.


Not sure how you can blame the drop off on Bay, the numbers were pretty close and certainly not a big enough difference to be blamed for not winning a ring.

2008 Boston - Manny - .299/.398/.529/.927
2008 Boston - Bay - .293/.370/.527/.897
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:05 pm

mweir145 wrote:
KCollins1304 wrote:
Matthias wrote:It also potentially cost Manny another WS ring. Bay is not Manny as a hitter and the Red Sox in the second half were not nearly the team they were in the first. Not to take anything away from the Rays, they had a great season, but if Manny had stayed in Boston, he at least would've had a shot at a third.


It's a two way street though and you could say the Red Sox cost themselves a WS by not picking up Manny's options and keeping him happy.

So glad that didn't happen...can you imagine Papelbon celebrating another WS victory? I can't imagine being able to deal with it, I'd have to stop watching baseball.


but isn't that papelbon celebtrating in your sig??? i don't get it... :-S
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby kab21 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:17 pm

I can't wait until next offseason when he opts out and the circus begins again. ;-D
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Re: We THOUGHT Manny agreed TO Dodgers latest offer of 2/$45

Postby Matthias » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:18 pm

hybrid wrote:
Matthias wrote:It also potentially cost Manny another WS ring. Bay is not Manny as a hitter and the Red Sox in the second half were not nearly the team they were in the first. Not to take anything away from the Rays, they had a great season, but if Manny had stayed in Boston, he at least would've had a shot at a third.

Not sure how you can blame the drop off on Bay, the numbers were pretty close and certainly not a big enough difference to be blamed for not winning a ring.

2008 Boston - Manny - .299/.398/.529/.927
2008 Boston - Bay - .293/.370/.527/.897

Because even at those numbers it was as if Manny was dogging it.

Post-ASB (basically post-trade) Manny's #s were:
.388 / .485 / .723 / 1.208

That and Manny is just more of a professional hitter than Bay. It's one of those intangible things.... in the WS against Colorado, there was one game where he started off with a count 0-2 and twice (or three times maybe?) worked it into a walk. And at least one of those were with the bases loaded.

He just adds something to the lineup that is simply not there with Bay. That's why he could have been enough of a difference to win a ring (emphasis on could have).
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