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FBC Community Top 25 OF - #20: Magglio Ordonez

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Who is the #20 outfielder in a standard 5x5 league?

Adam Dunn
8
8%
Magglio Ordonez
24
25%
Corey Hart
16
17%
Shane Victorino
11
12%
Nate McLouth
13
14%
Jacoby Ellsbury
18
19%
Ryan Ludwick
1
1%
Hunter Pence
2
2%
Jermaine Dye
0
No votes
Jay Bruce
2
2%
 
Total votes : 95

Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby chris8 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:14 pm

Just cast the 15th vote - and they're spread very evenly amongst 6 guys right now. Should be an interesting one!
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby WaCougMBS » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:36 pm

Still going Hart here ;-D
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby auclairkeithbc » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:39 pm

I don't see how Maggs can be considered all that much worse than Markakis for this year. I think their run+rbi totals will be similar. They have similar power, though I'd give the edge to Maggs. Both hit for good average, but Maggs is a very good bet to hit 10 points better. Markakis should steal 7-10 more bases, which is more important than the average advantage of Maggs, but if Maggs hits 3-4 more HRs, they should be pretty close in value.

Now that is more of a criticism of Markakis's impact than an advertisement for Maggs, but it does show that you could do a lot worse than Maggs right now. I think Ellsbury is an ok pick here too, but I'd be scared that he won't get as many ABs as people think (they'll give Baldelli some time in CF too).
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby J35J » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:07 pm

auclairkeithbc wrote:I don't see how Maggs can be considered all that much worse than Markakis for this year. I think their run+rbi totals will be similar. They have similar power, though I'd give the edge to Maggs. Both hit for good average, but Maggs is a very good bet to hit 10 points better. Markakis should steal 7-10 more bases, which is more important than the average advantage of Maggs, but if Maggs hits 3-4 more HRs, they should be pretty close in value.

Now that is more of a criticism of Markakis's impact than an advertisement for Maggs, but it does show that you could do a lot worse than Maggs right now. I think Ellsbury is an ok pick here too, but I'd be scared that he won't get as many ABs as people think (they'll give Baldelli some time in CF too).


There isn't much wrong with Maggs....this whole group of OFers are fairly close. The thing with Markakis is he is on the rise and Maggs is plateauing or on the decline.

It makes absolutely no sense to me to platoon Ellsbury. He should be the leadoff hitter and get 150+ games as long as he is healthy. Baldelli can DH and spell the corner OFers but to have him take 75-100 of Ellsbury's ABs is crazy to me. Ellsbury is a gold glove calibar OFer and a very good leadoff hitter with all kinds of potential, IMHO.
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby Syfo-Dyas » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:13 pm

Ellsbury's lack of HR and RBI is scary, but 50+ SB's outweight that deficiency.
My vote is Ellsbury.

Add V. Wells next.
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby Eagle Baseball » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:30 pm

I went Maggs here.

I expect Maggs to go at least .300, 20HR, 100RBI
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby The Artful Dodger » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:45 pm

hot4tx wrote:
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hot4tx wrote:I went Mags. I just hate the low HR, low RBI OF (Ellsbury) this early. Just think you're paying too much to put yourself in a big hole in those two cats. I'd take Dunn next and then probably Ellsbury.


By the same token, Ordonez doesn't offer much power-wise that you can't get in later rounds from other OF further down. After Reyes, I don't think there's anyone but Ellsbury capable of stealing 50 bases without being a total detriment in BA.


Depends oh how you're defining "power". He'll only give you mid-20s in HRs but he's a lock for 100+ RBI. There's not many players left that can give you that and the ones that do won't hit .300 for you (Dunn, etc).


The difference between Maggs and say, Raul Ibanez isn't a massive one, only 5-6 rounds separating them being the big difference. Ordonez could have a higher run total or be the better bet to hit .300 but in general, what he can produce can be easily recovered than what Ellsbury could do: a boatload of runs to go with a boatload of SB and an average near or at .300.

hot4tx wrote:Again my big problem is having that HUGE deficiency in HR and RBI from everyone else's #2OF. IMO its too hard to make that up. I like to get my SBs from MI, where the hit you take in HR and RBI from the average opponents MI is much smaller, or from a collection of 20-10 SB guys instead of one 40+ SB guy. Every year I look at different draft scenarios and taking an early low-HR, low-RBI OF just always ends up projecting lower than a team of balanced hitters or a 2B or SS as my SB specialist. Or even looking for "cheap steals" late as a backup to supplement my team.


The problem is that there aren't many MI who give you truly outstanding speed. You take away Hanley, Rollins, Reyes, Roberts, Furcal, and maybe even Figgins if he doesn't qualify for 2B in your league, then you're left with MI who aren't generally your 20 SB types.

Also, if you're playing in leagues with added MI/CI and OF spots, then it doesn't necessarily matter where your SB are coming from.
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby auclairkeithbc » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:59 pm

Interesting that Mclouth finished in 2nd place in the #19 OF thread but is only 6th after 35 votes in the #20 OF thread.
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby Dan Charette » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:18 pm

I went with Ordonez. Real solid in 3 categories and he should chip in about 20 hr's .
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Re: FBC Community Top 25 OF - Vote #20

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:24 pm

i'm mclovin' it.
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