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FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP #18 Cliff Lee

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#18

Zack Greinke
28
27%
Edinson Volquez
1
1%
Rich Harden
5
5%
John Lester
15
15%
Daisuke Matsuzaka
7
7%
Carlos Zambrano
2
2%
AJ Burnett
3
3%
Yovani Gallardo
8
8%
Cliff Lee
32
31%
Other (please specify)
1
1%
 
Total votes : 102

Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:55 am

rookies and cream wrote:
bigh0rt wrote:
RotoCowboy wrote:Cliff Lee is arguably a top 10 SP. No doubt he is choice here. I could maybe understand someone voting for Gallardo though as he has the most upside of the group.

Rich Harden's upside says hi.


and then tweaks a muscle and hits the DL.

I was talking strictly upside. As I said, the answer here is Lester followed almost immediately by Greinke.
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby auclairkeithbc » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:08 am

I guess you could consider either Harden or Gallardo as the higher upside guy. The health upside or the breakout upside. As far a reasonable upside goes, I'd take Gallardo over Harden, but if i knew they would both pitch as well as they possibly could and both get 35 starts, I'd take Harden (over Lincecum/Santana/Sabathia/whoever).

My pick here is Cliff Lee just like last time. Greinke seems to be getting a lot of early votes, but I'd take several guys from this list over him. Is anyone really predicting him to even match last years totals in any category? (Obviously no one is predicting Cliff Lee to match any of his totals either, but he can drop off a ton and still be an easy top 10 SP).
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby horatio » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:10 am

Yeah I would definitely roll the dice on Cliff Lee before any of these other guys.
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby KHI » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:37 am

Where's Ricky Nolasco?

Better numbers than Shields, did it for 1 year like E. Santana.
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:19 am

finally some love for the cy young. although i'm being cautious...keeps reminding me of esteban loaiza...
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby Inukchuk » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:37 am

Greinke, although if faced with the choice, I might go Gallardo. I love him... O:-)
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby kentx12 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:40 am

I went with Greinke with Harden a close 2nd.
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:03 am

Went Lester here. Probably the best BOS pitcher last season.
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby Bloody Sox » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:25 am

I don't really see the argument for Greinke over Lester... Lester was better and more consistent last year, and while Greinke will get you a few more Ks, Lester will likely make up for that with more wins (given the better lineup and bullpen). Both had big IP jumps last year, so Lester is no more risky in terms of injury IMO either. Just curious why a lot of you think Greinke is better.
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Re: FBC Community Top 20 Ranking - SP Rank #18

Postby J35J » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:55 am

Bloody Sox wrote:I don't really see the argument for Greinke over Lester... Lester was better and more consistent last year, and while Greinke will get you a few more Ks, Lester will likely make up for that with more wins (given the better lineup and bullpen). Both had big IP jumps last year, so Lester is no more risky in terms of injury IMO either. Just curious why a lot of you think Greinke is better.

To me, Lester was only slightly above avg until he gained the few mph on all his pitches he did last year. I want to see if he maintains that along with his control. I feel I know what Greinke can do and what he is capable of and I'm not completely sure what Lester is at the moment....though he isn't far behind.
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