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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby bigwords » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:43 pm

mweir145 wrote:Frasor is still the closer. He's gone on record and said it.


Don't believe anything they say about closers in Toronto. I think there was a 40 page thread on this board a couple years ago for a situation that haunts us all to this day. I'm resisting the urge to put these words into my Google browser: bj ryan toronto injury lied

Anyway, my point was that he may get the first save opportunity, but maybe not the second, and who knows whether the third will even come before Downs is back. So pick Frasor up, by all means, but I'd keep expectations in check.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby BigL531 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:08 pm

So Rodney walked the bases loaded again, but got out of it with no harm when Ankiel grounded into a DP.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby mweir145 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:30 pm

bigwords wrote:
mweir145 wrote:Frasor is still the closer. He's gone on record and said it.


Don't believe anything they say about closers in Toronto. I think there was a 40 page thread on this board a couple years ago for a situation that haunts us all to this day. I'm resisting the urge to put these words into my Google browser: bj ryan toronto injury lied

Anyway, my point was that he may get the first save opportunity, but maybe not the second, and who knows whether the third will even come before Downs is back. So pick Frasor up, by all means, but I'd keep expectations in check.


I'm a Jays fan, btw. It will be Frasor until Downs comes back (or until Frasor proves he can't do the job).
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby mweir145 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:32 pm

bigwords wrote:Mmmm, I'm not so solid on Frasor as some of you guys. His strikeout to walk rate appears solid at the moment, but we're talking about a 23-inning sample size here. The much larger career sample set indicates a pitcher who has troubles limiting walks.
Next, let me point out that Frasor is allowing more than 50% of hits in play as fly balls, but has only given up one home run this year. Something's gotta give.
What I see is a pitcher who you can't rely upon to be great. This guy is much closer to a 3.87 ERA pitcher (his career norm) than a 1.9 ERA pitcher.
And 3.9 isn't bad and of course, yeah, I believe he gets the first shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get the second. Plus, save opportunities haven't come rabidly in Toronto (somewhat flukey, I admit) and Downs is still only going to be gone for a few weeks, so I'd keep expectations in check.
Howell or Frasor -- take Howell.
In my opinion, it's insanity that Frasor's ownership has climbed above Howell's in the last 24 hours.


I don't think anybody was saying Frasor's success this season was sustainable, though. He's just the highest guy on Cito's trust hierarchy right now.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby racrzeke » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:36 pm

Hawkins pitched the 8th and Valverde came in the 9th for the save.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby mt99808 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:37 pm

Accardo only got the save because he was the very last man left in the pen and Cito was completely fed up with Ryan after his performance the last 2 nights.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby auclairkeithbc » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:01 am

racrzeke wrote:Hawkins pitched the 8th and Valverde came in the 9th for the save.


yeah that is how its going to be unless valverde's injury comes back to hurt him.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby JourneyingBraves » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:42 am

Anyone else notice in tonight's Braves game that Gonzalez Came in the 8th inning and then Soriano Came in the 9th inning. It looked like a situational inning to put Gonzo in the 8th inning, but the game was well in hand with a 7 - 0 lead. Does anyone have any info on why Cox pitched Gonzalez in the 8th with game in hand, and Gonzalez had pitched the previous day? I know its a 60/40 split with the Braves closing duties, but after this game I'm concerned that Soriano now has the 60 end of the split. I know Soriano only came in to get work in because he had such a long lay off in between appearances.

Troncoso is the interim closer until Broxton can return from his toe injury for the Dodgers.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby iltat » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:50 am

Nix and Bruce were due up in the 8th inning. I wouldn't worry.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread (No Game Commentary Please)

Postby Syfo-Dyas » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:21 am

bigh0rt wrote:
Syfo-Dyas wrote:
Padsin05 wrote:There was no double switch used...

a) Cito doesnt know about double switches or how to do them

This is ridiculous.
A Major League headcoach and a Major League benchcoach doesnt know how to do double switch? You gotta be kiddin me.

Welcome to the American League.

You say that they started their coaching carriers in the AL? And never coached anywhere else?
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