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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby The Artful Dodger » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:32 pm

RedHopeful wrote:Arredondo owners are salivating - gotta wonder if Fuentes back is still a problem as he got roughed up today.


I think Fuentes' job is safe as long as he's able to put away games. I wouldn't look too much into it although it wouldn't hurt to grab Arredondo as a late-round flier.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby neoforce » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:48 pm

JayReds wrote:
neoforce wrote:I've been betting on Hoffman to break down the last two years by getting Bell. In an NL only auction that just completed I picked up Villanueva for $2.


How certain are we that Villanueva is next in line?


The only thing certain in life are death/taxes and the turnover at the closer position. :-D

No one knows who will be behind Hoffman. Havok, the owner of the most magnificent first post of this thread has Villanueva as #2 in the pen. I found a closer reference that agrees with him, and another swearing it would be McClung or Riske.

But based on my limited understanding of the Brewers Pen, I agree with Havok on this one. Villanueva has the most potential of the bunch, is good enough to start, but too valuable in the bullpen, is only 25. With all the problems the Brew Crew had closing last year, I can see them turning to him.

In a deep league like my NL only, you have to picks someone and gamble on him. I like Villanueva for that gamble, but there are never certainties.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby Zhangman1 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:14 pm

This was pointed out on the Holds thread

"I'll talk to him [Wednesday], maybe talk to Billy [Castro, the pitching coach] and see what our plan of attack is. With Hoffman down, I asked Billy, 'Who's your closer if he can't go?' He answered, [Villanueva]. I said, 'Well, he hasn't had any good outings this spring. Now you have to look at what your alternatives might be."


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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby JTWood » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:01 am

Franklin: 6 IP, 1 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 7 K
Motte: 6 IP, 1 ER, 5 H, 0 BB, 10 K
Kinney: 5 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 4 BB, 7 K
Perez: 5 IP, 3 ER, 4 H, 3 BB, 3 K

I think it has to be either Franklin or Motte, and given Tony's history of loving his veterans, I'm leaning toward Franklin right now.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby markj11 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:18 am

hot4tx wrote:
markj11 wrote:
SpecialFNK wrote:i didnt necessarily mean any one closer specifically, but just any closers overall that have a high ERA/WHIP and how much of an effect does that have on your overall team ERA/WHIP. with your closers only having a small number of IP those higher ERA/WHIP are not going to have a big effect on your overall team ERA/WHIP?
let me see if i explain this better. if you have to choose between any 2 closers. one who will get you say 30 saves with a low 2s ERA/low 1.2s WHIP that is drafted before the 10th round.. or another one who will get you say 30 saves but high 3s ERA/ mid/high 1.3s WHIP that you can take late in the draft. they both could have the exact same saves which help in the saves catagory, but the only difference is one has a good ERA/WHIP and one has a not so good ERA/WHIP. how much of an impact is that not so good ERA/WHIP going to have overall? a starting pitcher with a higher ERA/WHIP is going to have a bigger impact on your overall team ERA/WHIP because there are alot more innings coming from that pitcher.


I knew once I read this that I was going to end up figuring it up. Considering the you have 1250IP and the rest of your staff has 3.50ERA 1.27WHIP:
Team with:
Capps 3.479ERA 1.257WHIP +21SV +39K
Wilson 3.555ERA 1.278WHIP +47SV +67K


Although I disagree with him most of the time, I have to have his back here. The problem with your analysis here is that projecting 47 saves for Wilson is extremely optimistic and projecting only 21 saves for Capps is pessimistic. Save opportunities fluctuate a lot from year to year where you pitch for a great or bad team and you don't get credit for past numbers. The thing that doesn't fluctuate is skill and Capps career 3 ERA and 1.1 WHIP trump Wilson's 4.2 ERA and >1.4 WHIP. Also while there is a K difference, Capps missing most of July and August last year makes it look a lot bigger than it is when you don't view it as a K/9 or K/IP.


Yeah.. I wasn't projecting. I was simply showing what small innings do to totals using the two pitchers mentioned and their stats. Also Capps k/9 = 6.54 Wilson k/9 = 9.67.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby j24jags » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:13 am

JTWood wrote:Franklin: 6 IP, 1 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 7 K
Motte: 6 IP, 1 ER, 5 H, 0 BB, 10 K
Kinney: 5 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 4 BB, 7 K
Perez: 5 IP, 3 ER, 4 H, 3 BB, 3 K

I think it has to be either Franklin or Motte, and given Tony's history of loving his veterans, I'm leaning toward Franklin right now.

I don't mind your assumption that it is Franklin/Motte, but I doubt 5-6 innings of ST can make that decision for him. And if they do so help him...
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby rookies and cream » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:15 am

j24jags wrote:
JTWood wrote:Franklin: 6 IP, 1 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 7 K
Motte: 6 IP, 1 ER, 5 H, 0 BB, 10 K
Kinney: 5 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 4 BB, 7 K
Perez: 5 IP, 3 ER, 4 H, 3 BB, 3 K

I think it has to be either Franklin or Motte, and given Tony's history of loving his veterans, I'm leaning toward Franklin right now.

I don't mind your assumption that it is Franklin/Motte, but I doubt 5-6 innings of ST can make that decision for him. And if they do so help him...


Well, to be fair, TLR has said that this is an open competition and the winner would be the one that performs best this spring.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby Havok1517 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:43 pm

Chris Ray struck out two in a perfect inning Wednesday versus the Cardinals.

Ray has a 1.50 ERA this spring. He's allowed four hits, walked one and struck out seven in six innings. Compare that to George Sherrill, who has given up 10 hits and three walks over five innings. Closing duties are likely to fall to Sherrill initially, but Ray has pitched his way into an eighth-inning role and it would seem to be only a matter of time before he takes over in the ninth. rotoworld.com
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby rookies and cream » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:47 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
Chris Ray struck out two in a perfect inning Wednesday versus the Cardinals.

Ray has a 1.50 ERA this spring. He's allowed four hits, walked one and struck out seven in six innings. Compare that to George Sherrill, who has given up 10 hits and three walks over five innings. Closing duties are likely to fall to Sherrill initially, but Ray has pitched his way into an eighth-inning role and it would seem to be only a matter of time before he takes over in the ninth. rotoworld.com


I think Ray's ERA is actually 0.00 this spring. I know he struggled last game (before today) but I'm pretty sure he escaped without giving up a run.

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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby SpecialFNK » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:17 pm

i was thinking Balfour would be next in line for TB, but maybe its Isringhausen?
rotoworld has this..
Manager Joe Maddon said Tuesday that the Rays will be cautious with Troy Percival's early season workload and could give Jason Isringhausen some save chances.
"I don't want to just get him out there and start pushing him on a daily basis,'' Maddon said. "If we were to get hot and then you've got 3-4 wins in a row that are close situations, that would be counterproductive to get him out there that many days in a row. If we were able to figure out how to get [Isringhausen] within the mix, then of course you'd be able to bounce it back and forth, and obviously that's been in the back of my mind."


i currently have Balfour and was hoping Percical would lose the job and Balfour would end up the closer, but if Isringhausen is next would it be good to drop Balfour for Isringhausen?
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