joecahill wrote:Don't get your hopes up with Coffey. I've watched this guy struggle for years in Cincinnati...he's just a rounder, redheaded, less "Beauty and the Beast"-looking version of Derrick Turnbow. Buy with caution.
Yeah. you and Havok fall into the same camp. I think there is some truth to this, since the only time he has allowed a run in a Milw uni is when he comes in to save a game in the 9th. He is certainly one of the lower tier backup guys, but with Hoffman's age, it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up with about 10 chances by year's end. And if you are chasing saves, that's valuable.
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TheBigEasy wrote:BJ just got rocked...get Downs warm in your pen.
careful. as crazy as it sounds, I still think BJ has one more life. that said, don't know if downs is the guy, he has established his role in the 7th and 8th and has shown an ability to get more than 3 outs. I have serious doubts that he would be the guy.
I don't follow the Jays so I'm looking for you to help a guy out...who do you think would close if BJ got yanked?
Downs gave up a run the inning before Ryan blew up, doubt anything changes off of that unless there's something wrong with BJ besides just sucking. Was Gonzalez used in the 8th tonight just as a match up guy or was this a sign of a closer change in Atlanta?
killertofu2222 wrote:btw, scott downs looks really good this year, don't know what he did tonight, but its like having an extra spot start on your team during the week with all of his other counting stats.
That I agree with, I just don't think he's the guy to get saves if BJ goes down.
This is alos going to sound crazy, but is Jason Frasor the guy? Cito loves to have downs in the 7th and 8th.
bigsky wrote:Thanks once again for clogging jackasses. My assessment, FWIW, stands; don't drop Hawkins quite yet. See how this situation plays out over the next few opportunities, how Valverde pitches. I seriously doubt Hawkins holds, but there are people out there looking for every opportunity to pick up a few saves.
That being said, a pun, at it's base form is a play on words. For you two, there's a play on a bird motif there. While not a good one, I admit(ted), it's a pun, or at least and attempt to (and this is Webster here, smart guys) "juxtapose (big word, I know, but stay with me) connect, or bring out two or more possible applications of the word or words, usually in humorous way."
Definitely not a good one, but you missed the mark in that you took up space and time to comment on it. This is the "2009 CLOSERS THREAD" (thanks again, Havok) not "2009 I Got a C in English Thread." Please, you and your two s**t posts and the bong toting Phish-head save it for something useful. Better yet, just save it.
well 4 things. 1. relax. i wasn't making fun of you. all i pointed out was i don't think its a pun. sorry 2. the highest english class i've ever been in was AP English in 11th grade. (Seminar in 9th but AP was college credits.) final avg was a 92. 3. You havn't read all my posts, i don't normally comment in the closers thread because all it is is stuff like this, arguing, crap no one wants to read, and once in a while something useful. I have posted 3 times in it, your one post putting me down is longer than both. 4. Whats wrong with smoking bongs? and Phish for that matter. its better than country music and squirrel hunting.
i will go back to only reading this thread.
Honestly dont really care about the pun stuff, was simply making a point. The issue I had was with clogging the post with stuff irrelevant to closing. No hard feelings.
Hawk with the save tonight, so sumpin aint right with Valverde which was really my point from the get-go, hence my (rare) response to a previous question. Hold onto Hawkins for a bit. Valverde was "unavailable" tonight after back-to-back appearances, but it's still Phishy to me.
As a Jays fan, I really hope it won't be Downs when BJ is replaced (he's too valuable in his middle relief role), but it probably will be. Jason Frasor is basically unstoppable right now, so keep an eye on him, too.
I also suspect BJ gets one more of these bad outings before he is replaced.
The Jays should option BJ to AAA ... not like anybody is going to claim him and if they do good riddance on that contract.
I too think that Jason Frasor may sneak in as the guy or as part of a closer by committee with Downs. He does have a mid 90's fastball and some pretty dirty secondary pitches but he's just never been able to put it all together. He's been very impressive so far this season.
Can anybody comment on what happened in the Cards game? I see Perez came in for 2 outs in the 9th giving up 1 hit but then Franklin came in for the final out.