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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby bigh0rt » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:07 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
Syfo-Dyas wrote:Whats the reason that Trevor Hoffman is not rock solid? :-? :-S


Yeah, because he's not playing in Petco, he has some good internal reliever behind him, he's 41, and he's not the the same pitcher he used to be. I would be surprised if he's not the Brewers closer by year's end due to breakdown and/or lack in performance.

I would think he's probably as rock solid as you can ask for. Guy's been exclusively in the closers role for what will be his 16th straight season, and the guys behind him include Jorge Julio.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby Havok1517 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:19 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
Syfo-Dyas wrote:Whats the reason that Trevor Hoffman is not rock solid? :-? :-S


Yeah, because he's not playing in Petco, he has some good internal reliever behind him, he's 41, and he's not the the same pitcher he used to be. I would be surprised if he's not the Brewers closer by year's end due to breakdown and/or lack in performance.

I would think he's probably as rock solid as you can ask for. Guy's been exclusively in the closers role for what will be his 16th straight season, and the guys behind him include Jorge Julio.


Considering that most of teams interested in signing him during the off-season were wanting him in a setup role leads me to believe that he's lost a step in the eyes of many professionals. Also, there are other arms behind him in Villanueva (who I think has the best arm in the pen), Morlan (Rule-5 will stick around), Gagne (not sure if that matters now), and Riske (who does have closing experience but with mixed results) who could press the lackluster Hoffman.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:25 pm

yup he aint going to have crazy numbers in the end but his job is solid as they get. he's the all time leader in saves, they wouldn't just replace him that easily. plus hoffman was pretty awesome after the shaky start in 08, he had one of his best k/9 years and a 1.04 whip.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby kab21 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:57 pm

you still haven't put sherrill in as the o's closer considering the news on page 9 of this thread. you can say that he's likely to lose his job but his manager said 'he's the closer'.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby Scooter1027 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:54 am

BitterDodgerFan wrote:yup he aint going to have crazy numbers in the end but his job is solid as they get. he's the all time leader in saves, they wouldn't just replace him that easily. plus hoffman was pretty awesome after the shaky start in 08, he had one of his best k/9 years and a 1.04 whip.


That's what a lot of people miss I feel...his ERA wasn't quite as good as usual, but his K rate and BB rate were still very good (46 K / 9 BB). His ERA spike had to do with a spike in HR rate, as the 13.8% HR/FB rate he posted was well worse than normal. Interestingly, 7 of the 8 HRs he surrendered were in PETCO, and he had a home ERA of 4.25 compared to 2.87 on the road. In '07 he was better at home, in '06 he was better on the road. It doesn't seem PETCO was a big deal for him. I think it's safe to say the days of sub-3 ERAs are gone, but I think a 3.50 type performance is a reasonable expectation, his WHIP should be fantastic as usual, and he's on a team that should get him some saves. For where I'm seeing him drafted, he could end up being a good value.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby RotOAddicT » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:16 pm

What RP would you hold on to?

Kevin Gregg

Or

Zumaya
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:58 pm

motte moves ahead of perez:

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Motte has moved ahead of Chris Perez for the Cardinals' closer role, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Spin: Motte has been able to command his fastball this spring, unlike Perez. There's still a lot of this battle to go, but if you're looking for cheap saves, Motte should be a nice value in upcoming drafts.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby Pogotheostrich » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:40 pm

BitterDodgerFan wrote:motte moves ahead of perez:

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Motte has moved ahead of Chris Perez for the Cardinals' closer role, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Spin: Motte has been able to command his fastball this spring, unlike Perez. There's still a lot of this battle to go, but if you're looking for cheap saves, Motte should be a nice value in upcoming drafts.


That is complete specualtion on the part of Jeff Gordan. If you think Motte can become the leader when both him and Perez had thrown 2 innings then go ahead but team officials have said nothing.

However Motte did get the save yesterday.
rotoworld wrote:Jason Motte picked up a save with a perfect ninth inning against the Dominican Republic on Thursday.

Chris Perez also pitched a perfect inning. The Cardinals' closer candidates are all off to nice starts. Motte has given up two runs in three innings, but both were unearned and he has a 3/0 K/BB ratio. Perez has allowed one run in three innings. Josh Kinney has worked three scoreless innings, though that's come with four walks. Ryan Franklin is up to five scoreless innings.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby smoovethug » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:06 pm

Joey has an uh-oh. :-o

rotoworld wrote: Joey Devine is being held out of games for now after coming down with some elbow pain.
Devine believes he caused his own problem with some poor mechanics. It doesn't appear that the A's are looking at this as a major problem. However, if he misses a couple of weeks, it would seem to ensure that Brad Ziegler enters the season as Oakland's closer.
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Re: 2009 Closers Thread

Postby Valrico Gold » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:17 pm

Great job. I applaud the effort.

One thing.......It's the Rays.
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