2009 Pitching Tier (revised)

[MasterX1918]

what do you guys think

tier 1 (aces)
Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
CC Sabathia
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Jake Peavy
Roy Halladay
Brandon Webb
Cole Hamels
Dan Haren

tier 2 (top guys)
Josh Beckett
Ervin Santana
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Roy Oswalt
Chad Billingsley
Francisco Liriano
James Shields
John Lackey
Scott Kazmir
Felix Hernandez
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Cliff Lee
Jon Lester
A.J Burnett
Yovani Gallardo
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Edinson Volquez

tier 3 (middle guys)
Zack Greinke
Javier Vazquez
Matt Cain
Rich Harden
Adam Wainwright
Joba Chamberlain
Ricky Nolasco
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Carlos Zambrano
Erik Bedard
Justin Verlander
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Ryan Dempster
Matt Garza
Chris Young
Chien Ming-Wang
John Danks
Brett Myers
Aaron Harang

Tier 4 (deep guys)
Derek Lowe
Scott Baker
Ted Lilly
Clayton Kershaw
Max Scherzer
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Josh Johnson
Ubaldo Jiminez
Brandon Morrow
David Price
Justin Duchscherer
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Mike Pelfrey
Jered Weaver
Kevin Slowey
Wandy Rodriguez
Jair Jurrjens
Jonathan Sanchez
Manny Parra
Chris Volstad
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Mark Buehrle
Gil Meche
Joe Saunders
Oliver Perez
Jeremy Guthrie
Fausto Carmona
John Maine
Paul Maholm

Tier 5 (#5 guys,not tiered)
Chris Carpentner
Andy Pettitte
Kenshin Kawakami
Jeremy Bonderman
Randy Johnson
Gavin Floyd
Ian Snell
Johnny Cueto
Hiroki Kuroda
Jesse Litsch
Sean Marshall
John Smoltz
Brad Penny
Joe Blanton
Armando Galarraga
Aaron Cook
Bronson Arroyo
Koji Uehara
Kyle Lohse
John Lannan
Scott Olsen
Nick Blackburn
Glen Perkins
Anthony Reyes
Anibal Sanchez
Andy Sonnanstine
Andrew Miller
Sean Gallagher
Dave Bush
Todd Wellemeyer
Randy Wolf
Jon Garland
Dustin McGowan

Investments
Phil Hughes
Clay Buccholz
Gio Gonzalez
Jeff Niemann
Jordan Zimmerman
Homer Bailey
James McDonald
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Neftali Feliz
Carlos Carrasco
Nick Adenhart
Rick Porcello
Tommy Hanson
Trevor Cahill
Brett Cecil
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Dave Huff
Chris Tillman
Brett Anderson

[kentx12]

I would move Shields up, Lee way down, Greinke and Harden up, Garza, Meche and Lilly up and I believe Sheets will be out most if not all year.

[Neato Torpedo]

I'd have Lester/Nolasco/Gallardo up, Dempster/Wang/Volquez down.

[MasterX1918]

I would move Shields up, Lee way down, Greinke and Harden up, Garza, Meche and Lilly up and I believe Sheets will be out most if not all year.

Shields above Santana and Lackey? eh. I agree about moving cliff Lee down, though. I like Garza's spot, though.

[Field]

Too many in the aces tier, an ace is a guy who I have almost no questions about and feel absolutely comfortable with. The top guys tier also seems a bit large, there are too many question marks in that group for me.

[laxguy8947]

Too many in the aces tier, an ace is a guy who I have almost no questions about and feel absolutely comfortable with. The top guys tier also seems a bit large, there are too many question marks in that group for me.

Yeah I don't know if the last group in the aces section belongs in the top tier. Also Halladay is on the top tier for me. Always underrated.

[DbacksRback]

I think I would have the ace cut off at Hamels maybe Haren. I like them and the above as #1's. I like the list but im not as high on volquez or harden. Solid list though nice work

[MasterX1918]

look better?

[DbacksRback]

look better?

Much

[KHI]

I think either Kershaw is too high or Scherzer is too low.