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by **neoforce** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:34 pm

noseeum wrote:
neoforce wrote:
I've changed my thinking. Many, many thoughtful cafe people have swung me the other way. That while steroids were cheating, cheating has been part of the game since it was born. Bonds, Mac and everyone else belong in the Hall because what they did was still special. Not everyone who took steroids could hit home runs the way they could.

I think Bonds is the best illustration of the obvious pressure players felt to take steroids. He knew he was the best player in baseball, and it pissed him off to see Sosa and McGwire getting all the love for using steroids. It pissed him off so much, he said to himself, "You want to see a real player with steroids? I'll show you mofo's. Watch this." He didn't use them for years when other did.

That's what happens when owners, GMs, coaches, and the union look the other way and the press gives all the juicers the love. I forget who it was, but from 1998 to 2002 someone raised the issue with the union, saying players that really don't want to take steroids feel forced to, but the union did nothing.

That is exactly the type of argument that has won me over over the last few years.

by **AcidRock23** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:37 pm

so, are any of these guys going to be disciplined/ suspended/ HAVE ADVERSELY IMPACTED FANTASY VALUE? If Arod is out for a month or two, it will probably get his golden thong in a bunch and he might not be worth it. If it doesn't matter, perhaps he'd have something to prove?

by **moochman** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:47 pm

Not shocking, but still disappointing. Kills me how the reporting in this league was so lax in reporting on this issue. It appears more likely that any played used than not, yet nothing was reported as it was happening.
I don't know what is more disappointing: that A-Fruad used steroids or that he couldn't buy any that worked in October.

by **chargerss24** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:51 pm

Interesting to see who the other 103 players who were listed along with Rodriguez.

by **smoovethug** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:52 pm

Damn this era is sad. I can't say I was shocked or surprised by the news.

by **Matthias** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:52 pm

bigh0rt wrote:o/u on # of pages of this thread is set at 20.

I'm taking the over.

by **Matthias** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:56 pm

I'm surprised: there never had been any whiff of steroids around A-Rod. And not that Schilling is a sage, but you gotta figure that the guys playing have a good idea of who was juicing and who wasn't, and he commented a couple of years ago about the amazing thing about A-Rod was that he was doing it clean.

by **jake_twothousandfive** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:57 pm

This news is quite depressing. Somehow I thought ARod would avoid this mess and establish a "clean" HR record in a couple of years.

What a sad era.

by **nsulham** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:58 pm

Matthias wrote:I'm surprised: there never had been any whiff of steroids around A-Rod.

I don't know about that. Canseco (if you choose to believe him) mentioned something about A-Rod and steroids a while back so to say there's never been discussion about A-Rod and steroids is inaccurate.

by **bigh0rt** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:00 pm

nsulham wrote:
Matthias wrote:I'm surprised: there never had been any whiff of steroids around A-Rod.

I don't know about that. Canseco (if you choose to believe him) mentioned something about A-Rod and steroids a while back so to say there's never been discussion about A-Rod and steroids is inaccurate.

Remember that? And how everybody called him a scumbag and brushed him off? Has he been anything other than spot on with any player he's mentioned? :-°