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Re: Sexting

Postby Matthias » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:51 pm

TheRock wrote:There's no way you would ever write that into law that would make any kind of sense.


TheRock wrote:You greatly underestimate people's ability and desire to exploit every legal loophole they can. And when we're dealing with child pron, we need to not give anyone any outs.

Exactly. And that's why ultimately, you just have to hope for DA's with a good sense of justice and then get rid of them if they can't manage to exercise it. Alternatively, hope that the governor is at least paying a little attention and get clemency.
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Re: Sexting

Postby Curtis Pride » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:52 pm

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Dan Lambskin wrote:necrophelia seems like a victimless crime to me

The victims are:
1) The corpse. Everyone should be entitled to a modicrum of respect once they're deceased.
2) The corpse's family. If it was ever revealed or discovered that someone was desecrating the corpse of someone you love, it would inflict immense emotional anguish.
3) Society as a whole. Again, society teaches to pay a proper respect for the dead. Actions taken to violate that precept damage society's authority and society's attempt to culture a value into it.

Now, if you living on an island of 2 people and the other guy dies after saying he didn't care what happened after he died, then I guess I would say if that's your thing, then I don't see the harm. But under any realistic scenario or situation, I see some clear victims with necrophilia.

Nah, victimless. No reason to pay respect for the dead. They are dead, they aren't people anymore. Pay respect to the living, sure - which is why I'm not talking about publicly televised fornication with corpses where the familes are force to watch.

This "respect for the dead" bunk is the reason why there are so many people dying of liver, kidney, and lung failure in this country. People actually think there is some honor to a corpse that they don't want to sign up for organ donation and families don't want bodies of their loved ones cut up because they think it's somehow desecrating their loved ones. My body is a piece of meat. Once my my synapses stop firing and my heart stops beating, then anyone who wants my body for any purpose is free to have it - I don't care how disgusting it is. In fact, I'd love to sell my body to a necrophelia group so I can get good money for it before I die.
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Re: Sexting

Postby Curtis Pride » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:52 pm

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Curtis Pride wrote:No, if an adult had naked pictures on their phone or their computer of children, it's a crime. If a child has naked pictures of another child on their phone or computer it may be a crime, depending on intent. If a child has naked pictures that of one of their friends that the friend sent to them, it's clearly, absolutely not a crime.


There's no way you would ever write that into law that would make any kind of sense. Here's the BIG problem I have with that. I have a teenage son. Lets say he's a playa. He has some of the aforementioned girlie pics on his cellphone. I borrow it one afternoon because my battery died. I get in an accident and a cop picks up my phone to see who to call. Bam. I'm busted in a big way. You're saying my son has the right to possess something that if I'm caught even looking at it lands me in jail?

Curtis Pride wrote:Cops tend to ignore "intent" when trying to steamroll people because they are worried about that faulty logical leap of "slippery slope". No, it isn't a slippery slope. It's a pretty clear line.


Same situation. Let's say Snakes is a perv. Don't mind playing along do you Snakes? Snakes keeps his kiddie porn on a second cellphone he calls his "son's". So if he ever gets busted, he has an out.

You greatly underestimate people's ability and desire to exploit every legal loophole they can. And when we're dealing with child pron, we need to not give anyone any outs.

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Re: Sexting

Postby TheRock » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:57 pm

Curtis Pride wrote:INTENT.


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Re: Sexting

Postby Curtis Pride » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:01 pm

TheRock wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:INTENT.


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Re: Sexting

Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:09 pm

Curtis Pride wrote:
Matthias wrote:
Dan Lambskin wrote:necrophelia seems like a victimless crime to me

The victims are:
1) The corpse. Everyone should be entitled to a modicrum of respect once they're deceased.
2) The corpse's family. If it was ever revealed or discovered that someone was desecrating the corpse of someone you love, it would inflict immense emotional anguish.
3) Society as a whole. Again, society teaches to pay a proper respect for the dead. Actions taken to violate that precept damage society's authority and society's attempt to culture a value into it.

Now, if you living on an island of 2 people and the other guy dies after saying he didn't care what happened after he died, then I guess I would say if that's your thing, then I don't see the harm. But under any realistic scenario or situation, I see some clear victims with necrophilia.

Nah, victimless. No reason to pay respect for the dead. They are dead, they aren't people anymore. Pay respect to the living, sure - which is why I'm not talking about publicly televised fornication with corpses where the familes are force to watch.

This "respect for the dead" bunk is the reason why there are so many people dying of liver, kidney, and lung failure in this country. People actually think there is some honor to a corpse that they don't want to sign up for organ donation and families don't want bodies of their loved ones cut up because they think it's somehow desecrating their loved ones. My body is a piece of meat. Once my my synapses stop firing and my heart stops beating, then anyone who wants my body for any purpose is free to have it - I don't care how disgusting it is. In fact, I'd love to sell my body to a necrophelia group so I can get good money for it before I die.

I'm with you 100%. If it was legal, instead of donating my body to science, I'd donate (or sell) it between necrophilia and cannibalism groups. Let the cannibals have the prime cuts, and give the necrophiliacs the rest.

To be clear, I don't think people should be allowed to, say, storm funerals and have sex with the corpse in front of the mourning family, but I do think if there's someone who wants to use a body for a purpose like that, and there's someone else who wants their body to be used for it, there shouldn't be a problem with it. And even though I think most people's reverence for corpses is ridiculous, if the deceased didn't leave instructions on what to do with the body, the family's wishes should be adhered to.
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Re: Sexting

Postby Curtis Pride » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:44 pm

and don't get me started on how I should be able to sell my kidney or lung to the highest bidder if I so choose.
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Re: Sexting

Postby Matthias » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:50 pm

Curtis Pride wrote:and don't get me started on how I should be able to sell my kidney or lung to the highest bidder if I so choose.

There are broad policy and social ramifications to that beyond simple matters of autonomy, but you don't want to get me started on that, either.
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Re: Sexting

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:53 pm

Curtis Pride wrote:and don't get me started on how I should be able to sell my kidney or lung to the highest bidder if I so choose.

I think I should be able to sell your kidney or lung to the highest bidder. Hmph.
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Re: Sexting

Postby knapplc » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:54 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:and don't get me started on how I should be able to sell my kidney or lung to the highest bidder if I so choose.

I think I should be able to sell your kidney or lung to the highest bidder. Hmph.

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