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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:35 am

Team	League	 HLD03	 HLD04	HLD05	HLD06	HLD07	HLD08	AVG	3yrAVG	2yravg
Ari NL 47 54 64 75 85 68 66 76 77
Atl NL 74 71 72 56 64 76 69 65 70
Bal AL 66 52 70 58 78 56 63 64 67
Bos AL 46 53 59 80 78 66 64 75 72
ChN NL 62 68 69 68 67 74 68 70 71
ChA AL 33 57 79 64 73 74 63 70 74
Cin NL 59 79 63 49 59 58 61 55 59
Cle AL 52 55 74 40 71 51 57 54 61
Col NL 75 67 68 76 80 59 71 72 70
Det AL 43 57 56 75 73 61 61 70 67
Flor NL 48 53 55 69 106 86 70 87 96
Hou NL 90 72 66 75 65 79 75 73 72
Kan AL 61 48 55 66 74 59 61 66 67
LAA AL 56 54 54 50 74 74 60 66 74
LAN NL 79 55 66 56 73 60 65 63 67
Mil NL 59 59 61 59 95 68 67 74 82
Min AL 65 48 52 68 65 75 62 69 70
NYN NL 59 70 48 72 78 99 71 83 89
NYA AL 57 69 69 83 71 78 71 77 75
Oak AL 53 71 47 83 66 66 64 72 66
Phi NL 55 82 78 85 90 79 78 85 85
Pit NL 77 76 60 72 68 64 70 68 66
SDP NL 60 76 70 81 76 55 70 71 66
SFG NL 76 86 89 68 86 56 77 70 71
Sea AL 48 42 73 72 74 58 61 68 66
StL NL 72 88 86 73 63 106 81 81 85
TB AL 55 45 66 47 58 80 59 62 69
Tex AL 74 75 48 79 80 73 72 77 77
Tor AL 64 46 66 87 64 72 67 74 68
Was NL 67 57 68 62 95 66 69 74 81
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Re: Holds

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:53 am

Finally getting started on some holds for those that use them in their leagues. The first post here shows holds by team for 2003-2008, along with the average for each team during that period, and the averages over the last 2 and last 3 years. Managers obviously play a big part in holds, since they determine the roles, make the switches in game and during the season. For an eye on how much difference the manager can make, look at the Marlins data. 4 straight years near the bottom in holds, then BAM, averaging 96 holds the last 2 years. Fredi Gonzalez likes to churn through those relievers.

But, it's not just the hold opportunities given. Managers differ in whether they concentrate those in a few pitchers or spread them around. No Florida pitcher ever had more than 20 holds under Fredi, despite the high totals. Scioscia is the anti-Fredi. The Angels have rarely been among the leaders in total holds, but almost always have someone ranked high in individual holds. Scioscia almost always concentrates 2/3rds or more of his holds in 2 pitchers (he's often had 80% or more of his holds in 2 pitchers). Certainly, that also depends on the pitchers performing well, but there are definite manager tendencies in pitcher usage. Scioscia seems to like very strictly defined roles and usage patters among a small group of pitchers. Fredi seems to like playing a lot of matchups and hot hands, which increases total opportunities, but spreads them around more.

As we look for pitchers who will get you holds, we'll keep the manager in mind. Ideally we want a solid reliever pitching for a manager and team that gives lots of hold opportunities, but concentrates them in a few pitchers.
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Re: Holds

Postby bigwords » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:02 pm

This has always been one of my favorite threads year-to-year.
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Re: Holds

Postby Niffoc4 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:07 pm

Looking forward to your projections as always...
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Re: Holds

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:12 pm

Niffoc4 wrote:Looking forward to your projections as always...


I wouldn't even venture to call them "projections"! Guesstimates? Hunches?
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Re: Holds

Postby Niffoc4 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:25 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
Niffoc4 wrote:Looking forward to your projections as always...


I wouldn't even venture to call them "projections"! Guesstimates? Hunches?
true... but there's no established predictions on this so...
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Re: Holds

Postby WickedSmaat » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:58 pm

More readable(just quote and then copy the pre tags):

Team League	 HLD03	 HLD04	HLD05	HLD06	HLD07	HLD08	AVG	3yrAVG	2yravg
Ari NL 47 54 64 75 85 68 66 76 77
Atl NL 74 71 72 56 64 76 69 65 70
Bal AL 66 52 70 58 78 56 63 64 67
Bos AL 46 53 59 80 78 66 64 75 72
CHC NL 62 68 69 68 67 74 68 70 71
CWS AL 33 57 79 64 73 74 63 70 74
Cin NL 59 79 63 49 59 58 61 55 59
Cle AL 52 55 74 40 71 51 57 54 61
Col NL 75 67 68 76 80 59 71 72 70
Det AL 43 57 56 75 73 61 61 70 67
Fla NL 48 53 55 69 106 86 70 87 96
Hou NL 90 72 66 75 65 79 75 73 72
Kan AL 61 48 55 66 74 59 61 66 67
LAA AL 56 54 54 50 74 74 60 66 74
LAD NL 79 55 66 56 73 60 65 63 67
Mil NL 59 59 61 59 95 68 67 74 82
Min AL 65 48 52 68 65 75 62 69 70
NYM NL 59 70 48 72 78 99 71 83 89
NYY AL 57 69 69 83 71 78 71 77 75
Oak AL 53 71 47 83 66 66 64 72 66
Phi NL 55 82 78 85 90 79 78 85 85
Pit NL 77 76 60 72 68 64 70 68 66
SDP NL 60 76 70 81 76 55 70 71 66
SFG NL 76 86 89 68 86 56 77 70 71
Sea AL 48 42 73 72 74 58 61 68 66
Stl NL 72 88 86 73 63 106 81 81 85
TB AL 55 45 66 47 58 80 59 62 69
Tex AL 74 75 48 79 80 73 72 77 77
Tor AL 64 46 66 87 64 72 67 74 68
Was NL 67 57 68 62 95 66 69 74 81
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Re: Holds

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:17 pm

Thanks! I was looking all over trying to find the instructions on how to do that, and just gave up.
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Re: Holds

Postby CrashOverrid3 » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:01 pm

I also appreciate the work on this.

I like Mid Reliever guys.. course.. can't say much for the Tigers this year.. but we shall see
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Re: Holds

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:18 pm

PlayerName	INN	Win	ERA	SO	WHIP	SV	HLD	Team	G	LIMA	Tier
J.J. Putz 58 5 2.95 70 1.16 3 32 NYN 58 3 1
Takashi Saito 47 4 2.87 54 1.11 3 31 BOS 47 3 1
Rafael Perez 78 6 3.35 80 1.22 5 27 CLE 65 3 1
Hong-Chih Kuo 46 3 2.93 55 1.13 5 25 LAN 37 3 1
Tony Pena 75 4 3.84 56 1.31 5 27 ARI 70 1 2
Scot Shields 70 5 3.6 67 1.30 5 26 LAA 66 1 2
C Villanueva 74 5 3.65 73 1.23 5 24 MIL 62 2 2
Cla Meredith 75 5 3.36 54 1.23 5 24 SDN 70 2 2
Huston Street 66 5 3.27 74 1.18 5 23 COL 64 2 2
Joe Nelson 57 4 3.32 63 1.26 3 23 FLO 54 2 2
Ryan Madson 74 5 3.77 62 1.28 5 23 PHI 62 2 2
Octavio Dotel 42 3 3.86 48 1.31 5 22 CHA 45 2 2
Mike Adams 65 4 3.18 65 1.22 1 21 SDN 54 3 2
Jon Rauch 69 4 3.91 59 1.28 5 21 ARI 70 2 2
Edwar Ramirez 64 5 3.38 75 1.25 3 20 NYA 54 2 2
Scott Downs 63 4 3.57 54 1.33 5 20 TOR 66 2 2
Kevin Gregg 71 5 3.93 65 1.35 5 22 CHN 61 1 3
Saul Rivera 79 4 3.87 58 1.43 5 22 WAS 69 1 3
Kyle McClellan 60 4 3.9 49 1.33 5 20 SLN 51 1 3
Leo Nunez 57 4 3.47 53 1.25 3 19 FLO 48 2 3
Bobby Howry 63 4 3.86 49 1.25 5 19 SFN 64 2 3
Steven Shell 70 4 3.86 63 1.27 3 18 WAS 59 2 3
Duaner Sanchez 53 4 3.74 42 1.36 3 18 NYN 54 2 3
Grant Balfour 63 5 3 80 1.24 5 17 TBA 55 3 3
Jason Motte 60 4 3.45 72 1.23 5 17 SLN 55 2 3
Hideki Okajima 60 4 3.6 55 1.28 3 17 BOS 62 2 3
Joel Zumaya 42 3 3.64 40 1.43 3 16 DET 37 2 3
Joel Peralta 65 3 4.29 50 1.37 3 16 KCA 56 2 3
Manny Delcarmen 75 5 3.48 70 1.28 1 15 BOS 68 3 3
Taylor Buchholz 72 5 3.75 61 1.28 1 15 COL 60 2 3
Sean Green 72 5 3.88 57 1.39 1 15 NYN 62 2 3
Dennys Reyes 44 3 3.68 38 1.34 1 15 free 63 2 3
Brett Tomko 53 3 3.91 43 1.34 1 15 free 45 2 3
Pedro Feliciano 53 3 3.91 47 1.40 3 15 NYN 68 2 3
Will Ohman 51 3 3.88 43 1.39 1 15 free 68 2 3
John Parrish 52 3 3.98 47 1.42 1 15 free 45 2 3
Tim Corcoran 41 2 4.17 37 1.44 1 15 FLO 36 2 3
Scott Linebrink 56 3 4.5 43 1.36 1 15 CHA 59 2 3
Julian Tavarez 59 3 4.42 45 1.49 1 15 free 52 2 3
Derrick Turnbow 42 2 4.93 45 1.86 1 15 free 49 2 3
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