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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby kemper5 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:48 pm

nsulham wrote:I'd be utterly shocked if Varitek was in a Red Sox uniform this season.


I got to disagree, there is a reason they are saving ton's of $$ with these 1 year non-risky contracts, I think they are going to keep Tek a Red Sox until he retires in a few years..They need him in that clubhouse and know it
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby bigh0rt » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:01 pm

kemper5 wrote:
nsulham wrote:I'd be utterly shocked if Varitek was in a Red Sox uniform this season.


I got to disagree, there is a reason they are saving ton's of $$ with these 1 year non-risky contracts, I think they are going to keep Tek a Red Sox until he retires in a few years..They need him in that clubhouse and know it

Then they should offer him a desk position, because he has been a black hole in the lineup for two of the last three seasons. His numbers look like Craig Biggio's when he decided to just hang around and surpass milestones :-P
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby duckbillgates » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:21 pm

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deerayfan072 wrote:Geez -- This is a great signing for the sox, which I hate as a Rays fan :-P


...and I as a Yankee fan. Boston is being pretty damn shrewd this offseason.

Of course, as Yoda mentioned, this could end up becoming a team decimated by injuries.

Couple that with the possible fluke 08 seasons by Youk, Pedroia, and Lester, and this team could end up either winning it all or missing the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised by either. Should be an interesting AL East this year, to say the least.


Agreed. Three solid low-risk, high-reward signings, but I certainly see a path to the Sox missing the playoffs.

A bad combination of the following would do it:

• You get the 2007 versions of Bay, Drew and Dice-K instead of the 2008 versions.

• Papi's offensive decline continues

• Regression for Pedroia and/or Lester (both seem likely based on those gaudy numbers last year)

• Injury bug hits pitching staff

I think the 2009 Yankees are far more improved than the 2009 Red Sox, even though they spent a lot more. I could see the Sox having one of their worse offensive seasons in years.
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby bigh0rt » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:25 pm

duckbillgates wrote:
Inukchuk wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:Geez -- This is a great signing for the sox, which I hate as a Rays fan :-P


...and I as a Yankee fan. Boston is being pretty damn shrewd this offseason.

Of course, as Yoda mentioned, this could end up becoming a team decimated by injuries.

Couple that with the possible fluke 08 seasons by Youk, Pedroia, and Lester, and this team could end up either winning it all or missing the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised by either. Should be an interesting AL East this year, to say the least.


Agreed. Three solid low-risk, high-reward signings, but I certainly see a path to the Sox missing the playoffs.

A bad combination of the following would do it:

• You get the 2007 versions of Bay, Drew and Dice-K instead of the 2008 versions.

• Papi's offensive decline continues

• Regression for Pedroia and/or Lester (both seem likely based on those gaudy numbers last year)

• Injury bug hits pitching staff

I think the 2009 Yankees are far more improved than the 2009 Red Sox, even though they spent a lot more. I could see the Sox having one of their worse offensive seasons in years.

The same or greater injury, regression, and decline risks are present for Jeter, Posada, Matsui, Burnett, Chamberlain, and so on. It should be an interesting season in the AL East.
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby BronXBombers51 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:31 pm

kemper5 wrote:You know what is great, you can sign all these great fill ins like Smoltz, Saito, Penny & Baldelli for a fraction of what the Yanks are dishing out on a yearly basis.


Yeah but the Yankees are signing some of the top talent in the game and the Red Sox are taking fliers on guys that are old or injury risks. There's a reason Boston is able to sign these guys for little money.

That said, all these moves are good and give Boston a lot of depth. As everyone said, the AL East can really go in several directions. It's going to come down to who stays healthier throughout the course of the year.
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby nsulham » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:58 pm

Anything is possible in the East. You could make a case for either Tampa, Boston or NY winning it and you can make a case against them as well. Nothing will surprise me in that division, short of Toronto or Baltimore shocking everyone and sneaking past the Big 3.
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:17 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
kemper5 wrote:You know what is great, you can sign all these great fill ins like Smoltz, Saito, Penny & Baldelli for a fraction of what the Yanks are dishing out on a yearly basis.


Yeah but the Yankees are signing some of the top talent in the game and the Red Sox are taking fliers on guys that are old or injury risks. There's a reason Boston is able to sign these guys for little money.

That said, all these moves are good and give Boston a lot of depth. As everyone said, the AL East can really go in several directions. It's going to come down to who stays healthier throughout the course of the year.


There's considerable reason to believe that CC and Burnett (especially) are both injury risks.
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby Big Pimpin » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:28 pm

Great move. I was hoping the M's would sign him to close. :-/
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby thedude » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:31 pm

duckbillgates wrote:[• Regression for Pedroia and/or Lester (both seem likely based on those gaudy numbers last year)



I don't know if i would see a regression for pedroia as likely. 2008 numbers are pretty much in line with expected progression.

2004 ASU OPS: 1113
2004 A OPS: 1034
2004 A+ ops: 940
2005: AA OPS: 917
2005 AAA OPS: 738
2006 AAA OPS: 807
2006 MLB OPS: 561(limited atbats)
2007 MLB OPS: 822
2008 MLB OPS: 869
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Re: Saito now with the Sox

Postby Yoda » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:53 pm

thedude wrote:
duckbillgates wrote:[• Regression for Pedroia and/or Lester (both seem likely based on those gaudy numbers last year)



I don't know if i would see a regression for pedroia as likely. 2008 numbers are pretty much in line with expected progression.

2004 ASU OPS: 1113
2004 A OPS: 1034
2004 A+ ops: 940
2005: AA OPS: 917
2005 AAA OPS: 738
2006 AAA OPS: 807
2006 MLB OPS: 561(limited atbats)
2007 MLB OPS: 822
2008 MLB OPS: 869


I don't think anyone would be surprised if Pedroia doesn't come close to hitting 17 HR.

Saito is nothing but a flier. He adds depth in the pen but he is 39 and has elbow issues. I don't see how this signing makes them so much better.
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