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Postby RugbyD » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:41 pm

The video makes this look really really reeeeaaallllyyy bad for the BART officer. Will be interesting to see how this develops.

video embedded here: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/130971.html

followup article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/us/09 ... ml?_r=1&em

The police chief for BART, Gary Gee, said that transit police detectives were still compiling clues in the shooting, which occurred after Mr. Grant and a group of friends were removed from an eastbound train in the wake of a fight among two groups leaving a New Year’s Eve celebration in San Francisco.

At least four cell phone cameras held by passengers on the train idling next to the platform captured images of Mr. Grant lying face down when Transit Officer Johannes Mehserle, 27, pulls his gun and fires a single shot. Mr. Mehserle looks up at another officer, and then handcuffs Mr. Grant. The images have been repeatedly broadcast on local television and streamed online.

Christopher Miller, a lawyer for Officer Mehserle, said in a brief statement on Wednesday that the officer’s resignation, which took place on Wednesday, would allow BART to “get back to the business of managing regional transportation,” adding that the officer had the full support of his union, the BART Police Officers Association. But it made no reference to the circumstances of the shooting.

Mr. Mehserle has not been charged with a crime. Investigators said their efforts to interview him about the circumstances of the shooting had been rebuffed by his lawyers, something that has fed complaints that the transit agency and the Alameda County district attorney, Tom Orloff, have each been sluggish in their investigations.
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Re: Oakland NYE Subway Killing

Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:49 pm

8-o 8-o 8-o wow. thats crazy.
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Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:53 pm

saw this on the news after it happened (my parents live around 10 minutes from oakland). i usually side with the cops in these 'accidental' death things and overuse of police force, but this looks pretty incredibly bad. can't really see how he can possibly explain this one.
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Postby jfg » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:08 am

I think the second saddest thing about the story is that traditional news outlets ignored the story for almost a week and most of them still aren't reporting it. It'll be interesting to see how this story turns out but I'm betting we're not going to be getting the conclusion from the local paper, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc.... liberal or conservative, fair and balanced or not, they all cherry pick what they want to report.
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Re: Oakland NYE Subway Killing

Postby Metroid » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:13 am

I've heard a lot about this, I have friends that live in the Bay Area. There was supposed to be a protest at the Fruitvale Bart station yesterday, not sure if it happened though. I heard Bart was going to suspend runs to the station to prevent the protest.
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Re: Oakland NYE Subway Killing

Postby knapplc » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:16 am

Wow. Amazing. I heard about the protest, and that it was related to a guy that was killed, but not much else.

I have to agree completely with jfg - WHY IS THIS NOT BEING REPORTED? That is ridiculous! What an abrogation of duty by the Fourth Estate!

That video is chilling and sad and horrible. I see no way to explain that if I'm the BART cop. How do you explain shooting a handcuffed man?

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Postby knapplc » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:23 am

Just watched it again. The sequence:

Handcuffed. Face down. Stand. Shoot.

How do you explain that?

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Re: Oakland NYE Subway Killing

Postby Metroid » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:25 am

I missed the second link talking about the protest, guess it did happen and was pretty bad. Hope none of my friends were one of the 120 arrested....doubt they were.

knapplc wrote:How do you explain shooting a handcuffed man?

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A handcuffed man laying face down. :-t

Dude had a 4 year old daughter at home too. :,-(


EDIT: Yeah knapp...no excuse. :-t
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Re: Oakland NYE Subway Killing

Postby Neato Torpedo » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:45 am

This is disgusting, revolting, and worse than Andre Burgess and Sean Bell combined. Immediately I'm reminded of:

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Except they at least had the balls to shoot a man standing up.
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Postby GiantsFan14 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:51 am

Neato Torpedo wrote:This is disgusting, revolting, and worse than Andre Burgess and Sean Bell combined. Immediately I'm reminded of:

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Except they at least had the balls to shoot a man standing up.


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