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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby mweir145 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:11 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
mweir145 wrote:I guess this means Delgado could retire today and still make it in.

Wearing a Mets cap when he goes in, too O:-) :-)

Haha, not likely. Even if Delgado had any choice in the matter, I'm sure he'd still pick Toronto. If he won his first World Series in New York that might change his mind...but that doesn't look like it will be happening any time soon, with the Mets being chokers and all. O:-)
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Tavish » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:51 pm

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Bernie Williams FTW.

Dave Parker, Andre Dawson, Dale Murphy, and Matt Williams say hello as well.


Matt Williams career OPS+ 112 in fewer atbats and games.

Dale Murphy OPS+ 121 in fewer atbats (though he did play better defense)

Andre Dawson OPS+ 119 and though again better defense

Dawson and Murphy have decent cases, but Matt Williams...


Matt Williams was very good defensive third basemen, not a corner outfielder. Matt Williams 91.2 WARP3 over 1866 games, Jim Rice 80.2 over 2089 games. Dave Parker 84.6, Andre Dawson 107.5, Dale Murphy 86.4, Don Mattingly 84.3, Mark Grace 86.2. All these players beat out Rice in career Win Shares as well.

Jim Rice name was made with his bat and he wasn't all that amazing with it. There are dozens of players with just as much claim to the the Hall for their bat alone who also contributed above and beyond what Rice did in other areas. He had one very good season with the bat and a few All-Star caliber ones. For being a feared slugger in a hitter's paradise it says something when after age 27 Rice finished in the Top 10 in the AL in slugging only twice and only once in the Top 5.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby stevethumb » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:01 pm

[







Jim Rice name was made with his bat and he wasn't all that amazing with it. There are dozens of players with just as much claim to the the Hall for their bat alone who also contributed above and beyond what Rice did in other areas. He had one very good season with the bat and a few All-Star caliber ones. For being a feared slugger in a hitter's paradise it says something when after age 27 Rice finished in the Top 10 in the AL in slugging only twice and only once in the Top 5.[/quote]

is that really the case ? i thought fenway was a great hitters park for lefthanded hitters but not for righties
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby bigh0rt » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:13 pm

stevethumb wrote:[







Jim Rice name was made with his bat and he wasn't all that amazing with it. There are dozens of players with just as much claim to the the Hall for their bat alone who also contributed above and beyond what Rice did in other areas. He had one very good season with the bat and a few All-Star caliber ones. For being a feared slugger in a hitter's paradise it says something when after age 27 Rice finished in the Top 10 in the AL in slugging only twice and only once in the Top 5.


is that really the case ? i thought fenway was a great hitters park for lefthanded hitters but not for righties[/quote]
I've always been under the impression that it was the other way around, with the monster in left lending itself to righties...
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:15 pm

Can you guys please learn to quote? :-b
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby bigh0rt » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:22 pm

[quote="Neato Torpedo"Can you guys please learn to quote? :-b[/quote]
i'll work on it.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby jlm53089 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:30 pm

I believe we all can agree on one thing...
Pete Rose should be in.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Tavish » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:35 pm

stevethumb wrote:is that really the case ? i thought fenway was a great hitters park for lefthanded hitters but not for righties

Fenway traditionally hurts LHH homerun numbers and boosts their BA since they can inside out pitches off the wall. It is a hitter's park in basically every category for RHH.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Surfs up » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:07 pm

J35J wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:...and the HOF continues to lose credibility.

I've been disappointed in the Hall for a few years now. The Hall doesn't give me the goose bumps like it did when I was younger....too many borderline guys are in the Hall. If it was me I'd be very picky on who made it in....if you even have to think about it or try to make an arguement for a player he shouldn't be in. There should be no borderline thought that comes to mind for a Hall of Fame player. Thats just me though.


Well said. I have been saying this for years. ;-D It should be for the ELITE
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:11 pm

lol all the similar topics are about Bill Hall.
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