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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Bloody Sox » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:04 pm

BritSox wrote:Btw, just for the point of reference...

The combined OPS+ for Rice's 12 best seasons? 132.

Bobby Abreu's career to date? 133.

Anyone think Bobby is an HoFer?

No, but I also don't think you can compare a guy playing in the 21st century to someone who played in the late 70s and early 80s - two different eras.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby KCollins1304 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:17 pm

Bloody Sox wrote:
BritSox wrote:Btw, just for the point of reference...

The combined OPS+ for Rice's 12 best seasons? 132.

Bobby Abreu's career to date? 133.

Anyone think Bobby is an HoFer?

No, but I also don't think you can compare a guy playing in the 21st century to someone who played in the late 70s and early 80s - two different eras.


That is what OPS+ is for.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby MikeeDee » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:18 pm

Bloody Sox wrote:
BritSox wrote:Btw, just for the point of reference...

The combined OPS+ for Rice's 12 best seasons? 132.

Bobby Abreu's career to date? 133.

Anyone think Bobby is an HoFer?

No, but I also don't think you can compare a guy playing in the 21st century to someone who played in the late 70s and early 80s - two different eras.


The definition of OPS+ according to Wikipedia:
OPS+, Adjusted OPS, is a closely related statistic. OPS+ is OPS adjusted for the park and the league in which the player played, but not for fielding position. An OPS+ of 100 is defined to be the league average. An OPS+ of 150 or more is excellent and 125 very good, while an OPS+ of 75 or below is poor. A problem with basic OPS+ is that it does not make handedness adjustments (right-handers and left-handers). Since there are some parks that hurt a hitter from one side and not on the other, they are not always reflective of pure hitting skill. For example, while Old Yankee Stadium (pre-1976, when drastic park adjustment were made) benefited left-handed hitters, it hurt right-handed hitters. The Yankees however, had an abnormal number of lefties in their lineup in the Joe DiMaggio days, and OPS+ does not make that adjustment.[citation needed]

A common misconception is that OPS+ closely matches the ratio of a player's OPS to that of the league. In fact, due to the additive nature of the two components in OPS+, a player with an OBP and SLG both 50% better than league average in those metrics will have an OPS+ of 200 (twice the league average OPS+) while still having an OPS that is only 50% better than the average OPS of the league.



That's era and ballpark adjusted.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby chris8 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:45 pm

Congrats to the guys who got in. ;-D

Shame on the voters who are still judging BB by the quality of his teammates. :-t
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:59 pm

Yoda wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:Rice was feared. :-D


lol

I lolled, too. ;-D
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby thedude » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:12 pm

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BronXBombers51 wrote:
Tavish wrote:At least now whenever the next guy comes up for discussion we can say, "Well if Jim Rice is in, this guys deserves to be in as well!".


Bernie Williams FTW.

Dave Parker, Andre Dawson, Dale Murphy, and Matt Williams say hello as well.


Matt Williams career OPS+ 112 in fewer atbats and games.

Dale Murphy OPS+ 121 in fewer atbats (though he did play better defense)

Andre Dawson OPS+ 119 and though again better defense

Dawson and Murphy have decent cases, but Matt Williams...
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby thedude » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:17 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:Bernie Williams FTW.



Black ink: 6
Gray Ink: 61

compare that to Rice
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby mweir145 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:25 pm

I guess this means Delgado could retire today and still make it in.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby bigh0rt » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:38 pm

mweir145 wrote:I guess this means Delgado could retire today and still make it in.

Wearing a Mets cap when he goes in, too O:-) :-)
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby J35J » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:01 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:...and the HOF continues to lose credibility.

I've been disappointed in the Hall for a few years now. The Hall doesn't give me the goose bumps like it did when I was younger....too many borderline guys are in the Hall. If it was me I'd be very picky on who made it in....if you even have to think about it or try to make an arguement for a player he shouldn't be in. There should be no borderline thought that comes to mind for a Hall of Fame player. Thats just me though.
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