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Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby thedude » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:55 am

This is Rickey Henderson's first year on the ballot, and Jim Rice's last. Other notable candidates include Lee Smith, Bert Blyleven, Andre Dawson, Mark McGwire, and Tim Raines among others.

Who would you vote for and who do you think will get in?
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby thedude » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:59 am

IMO, looking at published votes (like the tribune) and voting trends, Rickey Henderson will get in without a doubt, as he should. Jim Rice will probably also pick up the needed votes, considering how close he was last year.

I think Dawson and Raines will also probably make it in, just not this year. They are the type of guys who seem to gain momentum in the BWAA close to the end of their time on the ballot.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:25 am

McGwire should have been in already. :-t
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Neato Torpedo » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:51 am

Can we please avoid turning this one into a steroids argument? :-/
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:06 am

I think these 5 should be there.

McGwire
Raines
Rickey
Blyleven
Trammell

I'm not really on the Rice/Dawson/LSmith bandwagon.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby raiders_umpire » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:17 am

McGwire
Rickey
Blyleven

This would be my vote.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby AussieDodger » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:36 am

Yay Rickey!
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Bloody Sox » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:09 am

If we're kicking the least worthy guys out of the HOF who shouldn't be in there in order to raise the standards (which I would love to see happen), then I agree that Rice should not be in. But based on the current standard, Rice should be in there. A guy shouldn't be penalized for not hanging around for 4-5 extra years to add to his counting stats. Rice had an 11 year stretch where he was easily one of the best hitters in baseball. Too many people look at 382 career HRs and keep him out based on the elevated numbers in the 90s.

If you take Rice's career numbers and break them into 162 game full seasons, he played 13 years with an average season of .298, 97 R, 30 HR, 113 RBI, .854 OPS - those are impressive enough, but even more so when compared to the other players from 1975-1990. By comparison, Tony Perez played 17 full seasons with an average season of .279, 74, 22, 96, .804. There are plenty of other examples of guys already in the HOF who Rice has much better (offensive) numbers than.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby AussieDodger » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:22 am

Bloody Sox wrote:If we're kicking the least worthy guys out of the HOF who shouldn't be in there in order to raise the standards (which I would love to see happen), then I agree that Rice should not be in. But based on the current standard, Rice should be in there. A guy shouldn't be penalized for not hanging around for 4-5 extra years to add to his counting stats. Rice had an 11 year stretch where he was easily one of the best hitters in baseball. Too many people look at 382 career HRs and keep him out based on the elevated numbers in the 90s.

If you take Rice's career numbers and break them into 162 game full seasons, he played 13 years with an average season of .298, 97 R, 30 HR, 113 RBI, .854 OPS - those are impressive enough, but even more so when compared to the other players from 1975-1990. By comparison, Tony Perez played 17 full seasons with an average season of .279, 74, 22, 96, .804. There are plenty of other examples of guys already in the HOF who Rice has much better (offensive) numbers than.



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Re: Hall of Fame Class of 2009

Postby Old_Style » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:42 am

Mark Grace FTW ;-D
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