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Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:01 am

Anyone catch MLB Network's Prime 9 show? Tonight they aired the top 9 centerfielders of all-time and the top 9 homeruns of all-time. While the homeruns are subjective, the CF brings up an interesting debate. Here is the list they came up with:

1. Willie Mays
2. Ty Cobb
3. Mickey Mantle
4. Tris Speaker
5. Joe DiMaggio
6. Ken Griffey Jr.
7. Duke Snider
8. Jim Edmonds
9. Kirby Puckett

On the surface, I think they got the top 3 out of order. I put Cobb at the top, and I think Mantle was better than Mays. I'm not sure about Edmonds and Puckett at the tail-end, but I have to look into that further. Post your opinions, or your own list.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby KCollins1304 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:30 am

I'd take Cobb first, but Mays should probably be over Mantle. They had pretty comparable offensive careers, but I think Mays was a significantly better defender.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:08 am

I think Mantle was the best at his peak but I'll take Mays for the career. I'll put Cobb behind both.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:23 pm

Mantle-
8102 AB, 1677 R, 2415 H, 536 HR, 1509 RBI, 153 SB, 1710 SO, 4511 TB, .298 BA, .421 OBP, .557 SLG

9909 PA, 172 OPS+, 2038 RC, 9.3 RC/27, 5899 Outs


Mays-
10881 AB, 2062 R, 3283 H, 660 HR, 1903 RBI, 338 SB, 1526 SO, 6066 TB, .302 BA, .384 OBP, .557 SLG

12493 PA, 156 OPS+, 2368 RC, 7.9 RC/27, 8056 Outs


Mays beats him out in all counting stats, as he played a lot more games than Mantle did. But looking at things like OPS, RC/27, etc. I think Mantle was better when he was on the field. From what I've read, Mantle was a better defender than Mays too, but I'm far from a defensive guru, so if anyone can bring some defensive metrics to the table, please do. Had Mantle not been hurt so frequently, I think he takes it hands down, but obviously there's a lot to be said for longevity as well. I think you guys had it right, it comes down to peak vs. career. It just depends on what you value more.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby stevethumb » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:35 pm

mays, cobb, speaker are the holy trinity of CFers for me...and jim edmonds ?!?! must be a nod to having an active player on the list---could probably substitute thunter there if having an active guy was the goal
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:01 pm

stevethumb wrote:mays, cobb, speaker are the holy trinity of CFers for me...and jim edmonds ?!?! must be a nod to having an active player on the list---could probably substitute thunter there if having an active guy was the goal


Hunter has a career .326 OBP. Edmonds was better.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby Curtis Pride » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:40 pm

Was this all in? Just defense? Just offense?

Edmonds belongs there defintely. He was amazing defensively and there aren't many (any?) CF who put up OPS+ over 130 (Sizemore's career OPS+ is 125, and only hit 132 (Edmonds career average) one year.

Puckett was way overrated offensively.

Were it not for the last two years, Andruw Jones would have definitely been in there, probably top 5. He was (and still is) a stunning defender plus was very good offensively.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby bigh0rt » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:39 pm

Jim Edmonds is one of the most underrated CF I've ever seen, somewhat. He was truly incredible for a stretch, and has solid career numbers as well. He gets the love from lists such as this one, yet I always hear people complaining about how overrated, etc. he is, when in my opinion, that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby baizboll » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:55 pm

I don't think you can look at stats to compare Mantle and Mays. Mantle was so banged up for so long that he could never just go out and play the game without worrying about his legs. They were both truly exciting players to watch for different reasons. Willy was so flashy and there wasn't anything he couldn't do at the highest level. The Mick sent a thrill through the crowd every time he stepped into the box. He could mash it over 500 feet or beat out a drag bunt better than anyone I ever saw or hit a pinch home run on one leg to win a game. Two amazing players.
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Re: Prime 9 - Greatest Centerfielders

Postby Tavish » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:46 pm

My list from the "greatest players" thread:

Ty Cobb
Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays
Tris Speaker
Joe DiMaggio
Oscar Charleston
Ken Griffey Jr
Duke Snider
Billy Hamilton
Richie Ashburn
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Jim Edmonds
Kirby Puckett
Andruw Jones
Paul Hines
Larry Doby
Fred Lynn
Dale Murphy
Hugh Duffy
Bernie Williams

I've got Edmonds over Puckett, and Ashburn and Hamilton over both of them (not counting negro leaguers).
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