2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:01 pm

AquaMan2342 wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:
AquaMan2342 wrote:
OK so he's a huge injury risk and had two good years in a row a few years ago. What's your point?

More like two top-5 years in a row preceded by a good year. I can't imagine what would qualify as a "great" year in your eyes if that's merely "good". :*)


He's pitched 21 innings in the last two seasons. OK, he had two great legendarily awesome supernatural-being-like years. Unless he really is announced as their closer, I wouldn't touch him. There's a difference between risk/reward and simply wasting a pick. It's not like he's Chipper Jones and actually plays part of the season and contributes. Why doesn't anybody talk about Jason Schmidt late then?

The time missed the last two years is due to one injury, and he hasn't yet pitched enough to assess how successful the surgery was. TJ surgery isn't career-ending like it was in the 80s, he could still come back and be effective. Dempster came back after TJ surgery and had an All-Star year his first season back as a SP. And what of pitchers like Burnett? Rivera? Rogers? Jury's still out on Josh Johnson, Liriano, and McGowan, but a lot of people seem to like them.
Image

Rocinante2: you know
Rocinante2: its easy to dismiss the orioles as a bad team
ofanrex: go on
Rocinante2: i'm done
Rocinante2: lmao

Play Brushback Baseball! (we need more people)
Neato Torpedo
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
EditorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerWeb Supporter
Posts: 8618
Joined: 4 Mar 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: we don't burn gasoline, we burn our dreams

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:12 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:The time missed the last two years is due to one injury, and he hasn't yet pitched enough to assess how successful the surgery was. TJ surgery isn't career-ending like it was in the 80s, he could still come back and be effective. Dempster came back after TJ surgery and had an All-Star year his first season back as a SP. And what of pitchers like Burnett? Rivera? Rogers? Jury's still out on Josh Johnson, Liriano, and McGowan, but a lot of people seem to like them.


Carpenter had a torn labrum in 2003 and TJ in 2007. He will be 34 and coming off another major surgery. The guys you mentioned had TJ (except for McGowan had labrum surgery) much earlier in their careers.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Snakes Gould » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:27 am

its utterly pointless to post your top 21-40 list without posting your 1-20. :-t
Image

SIGS!

Shane Victorino wrote:“We keep fighting,” Victorino said. “We keep plugging along.”
Snakes Gould
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
EditorCafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerGraphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterGolden Eagle EyeWeb SupporterPick 3 Weekly WinnerMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 16051
Joined: 1 Nov 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Eternal Bliss

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Grounded Polo » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:32 am

Snakes Gould wrote:its utterly pointless to post your top 21-40 list without posting your 1-20. :-t


Pretty much, hard to really gauge anything without seeing the first part.
Grounded Polo
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 6584
(Past Year: 11)
Joined: 11 Aug 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby kab21 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:44 am

Neato Torpedo wrote:The time missed the last two years is due to one injury, and he hasn't yet pitched enough to assess how successful the surgery was. TJ surgery isn't career-ending like it was in the 80s, he could still come back and be effective. Dempster came back after TJ surgery and had an All-Star year his first season back as a SP. And what of pitchers like Burnett? Rivera? Rogers? Jury's still out on Josh Johnson, Liriano, and McGowan, but a lot of people seem to like them.


The other problem is that some of those guys pitched a half season of relative success (not a fan of McGowan personally). Carp hasn't shown that he's healthy or that his surgery was a success. As a matter of fact he had to have an additional surgery because of complications.
kab21
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 5335
(Past Year: 167)
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:10 am

kab21 wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:The time missed the last two years is due to one injury, and he hasn't yet pitched enough to assess how successful the surgery was. TJ surgery isn't career-ending like it was in the 80s, he could still come back and be effective. Dempster came back after TJ surgery and had an All-Star year his first season back as a SP. And what of pitchers like Burnett? Rivera? Rogers? Jury's still out on Josh Johnson, Liriano, and McGowan, but a lot of people seem to like them.


The other problem is that some of those guys pitched a half season of relative success (not a fan of McGowan personally). Carp hasn't shown that he's healthy or that his surgery was a success. As a matter of fact he had to have an additional surgery because of complications.

Well, I'm not saying he'll be good necessarily, just that it's too early to write him off. So far it's almost as silly to say "oh, he's done, forget him" as it is to say that he'll be a solid fantasy contributor in '09, there's just not enough results to go on, unless you wanna count the 15 1/3 IP in '08.
Image

Rocinante2: you know
Rocinante2: its easy to dismiss the orioles as a bad team
ofanrex: go on
Rocinante2: i'm done
Rocinante2: lmao

Play Brushback Baseball! (we need more people)
Neato Torpedo
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
EditorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerWeb Supporter
Posts: 8618
Joined: 4 Mar 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: we don't burn gasoline, we burn our dreams

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby kab21 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:23 am

Neato Torpedo wrote:Well, I'm not saying he'll be good necessarily, just that it's too early to write him off. So far it's almost as silly to say "oh, he's done, forget him" as it is to say that he'll be a solid fantasy contributor in '09, there's just not enough results to go on, unless you wanna count the 15 1/3 IP in '08.


I haven't written him off. I'm just not ranking him in the top 30 or something like that.
kab21
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 5335
(Past Year: 167)
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby KCollins1304 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:57 am

kab21 wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:Well, I'm not saying he'll be good necessarily, just that it's too early to write him off. So far it's almost as silly to say "oh, he's done, forget him" as it is to say that he'll be a solid fantasy contributor in '09, there's just not enough results to go on, unless you wanna count the 15 1/3 IP in '08.


I haven't written him off. I'm just not ranking him in the top 30 or something like that.


I don't think anyone has him in the top 30. I got him as the 58th pitcher in the cafe mock. He's worth the gamble there.
Image
KCollins1304
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyePick 3 Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 5089
Joined: 29 Dec 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Charlotte, NC

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:23 am

He was a good gamble that late but I would still probably take Cueto, Sanchez, RJ, Hughes, Saunders, Smoltz over him.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Dan Lambskin » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:48 pm

here are my top 20 and 21-40...i definately need to refine these still

1 Johan Santana 
2 CC Sabathia 
3 Brandon Webb 
4 Jake Peavy 
5 Cole Hamels 
6 Tim Lincecum 
7 Roy Halladay 
8 John Lackey 
9 Dan Haren 
10 Scott Kazmir 
11 Josh Beckett 
12 Carlos Zambrano 
13 Felix Hernandez 
14 Chad Billingsley 
15 A.J. Burnett 
16 Roy Oswalt 
17 Ervin Santana 
18 Daisuke Matsuzaka 
19 James Shields 
20 Justin Verlander 


21 Adam Wainwright 
22 Edinson Volquez 
23 Max Scherzer 
24 Jon Lester 
25 Erik Bedard 
26 Matt Garza 
27 Francisco Liriano 
28 Rich Harden 
29 Ben Sheets 
30 Yovani Gallardo 
31 Aaron Harang 
32 Ricky Nolasco 
33 Zack Greinke 
34 Cliff Lee 
35 Ryan Dempster 
36 Jered Weaver 
37 Josh Johnson 
38 Brett Myers 
39 Ted Lilly 
40 Joe Saunders 
Image
Dan Lambskin
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeLucky Ladders ChampionPick 3 Weekly WinnerMatchup Meltdown SurvivorTrivia Time Trial Monthly Winner
Posts: 10225
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: unioreimi and 8 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Monday, Sep. 1
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Philadelphia at Atlanta
(1:10 pm)
NY Mets at Miami
(1:10 pm)
indoors
Boston at Tampa Bay
(1:10 pm)
indoors
Minnesota at Baltimore
(1:35 pm)
Pittsburgh at St. Louis
(2:15 pm)
Milwaukee at Chi Cubs
(2:20 pm)
Seattle at Oakland
(4:05 pm)
Detroit at Cleveland
(4:05 pm)
San Francisco at Colorado
(4:10 pm)
Arizona at San Diego
(4:10 pm)
Texas at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Washington at LA Dodgers
(8:10 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact