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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:28 pm

Another Blown Save wrote:I started my projections and as of now, here's my 21-40

21. Felix Hernandez
22. Ervin Santana
23. Chris Young
24. Randy Johnson
25. Justin Duchscherer
26. Ted Lilly
27. Derek Lowe
28. Edinson Volquez
29. Ricky Nolasco
30. Yovani Gallardo
31. Cliff Lee
32. Jered Weaver
33. John Lackey
34. Ryan Dempster
35. Zach Greinke
36. John Danks
37. Jon Lester
38. Francisco Liriano
39. Justin Verlander
40. Kevin Slowey


I do not like this list.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Another Blown Save » Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:44 pm

Glad to see that everybody agrees with my ranking :-D
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:09 pm

J35J wrote:
kab21 wrote:
J35J wrote:
The Unit ahead of most all those guys is a head scratcher.


I also don't have the Duke nearly that high, not even in my top 50. I also like Lackey, Lester, Liriano and Greinke alot more than that. But I wouldn't be at all surprised with the amount of variability in the 15-50 range. I was doing my rankings and every time I looked at it I was moving guys 5-10 spots because everyone is so close.


Yep, very much agree.


Grienke at 35?!?!
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby AEMRICH » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:15 pm

seems like a lot of people on here are high on Chris Carpenter. i'm sure why people would want him over guys like ubaldo jimenez or clayton kershaw both younger with more upside. Am i missing something on Carpenter
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:19 pm

AEMRICH wrote:seems like a lot of people on here are high on Chris Carpenter. i'm sure why people would want him over guys like ubaldo jimenez or clayton kershaw both younger with more upside. Am i missing something on Carpenter

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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:30 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
AEMRICH wrote:seems like a lot of people on here are high on Chris Carpenter. i'm sure why people would want him over guys like ubaldo jimenez or clayton kershaw both younger with more upside. Am i missing something on Carpenter

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carpech01.shtml


OK so he's a huge injury risk and had two good years in a row a few years ago. What's your point?
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:31 pm

I wouldn't take Carpenter over Kershaw. I would though over Jiminez.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:34 pm

AquaMan2342 wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:
AEMRICH wrote:seems like a lot of people on here are high on Chris Carpenter. i'm sure why people would want him over guys like ubaldo jimenez or clayton kershaw both younger with more upside. Am i missing something on Carpenter

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carpech01.shtml


OK so he's a huge injury risk and had two good years in a row a few years ago. What's your point?

More like two top-5 years in a row preceded by a good year. I can't imagine what would qualify as a "great" year in your eyes if that's merely "good". :*)
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:43 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
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OK so he's a huge injury risk and had two good years in a row a few years ago. What's your point?

More like two top-5 years in a row preceded by a good year. I can't imagine what would qualify as a "great" year in your eyes if that's merely "good". :*)


He's pitched 21 innings in the last two seasons. OK, he had two great legendarily awesome supernatural-being-like years. Unless he really is announced as their closer, I wouldn't touch him. There's a difference between risk/reward and simply wasting a pick. It's not like he's Chipper Jones and actually plays part of the season and contributes. Why doesn't anybody talk about Jason Schmidt late then?
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Grounded Polo » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:46 pm

Another Blown Save wrote:Glad to see that everybody agrees with my ranking :-D


Did you post your 1-20 anywhere? Guys like Felix, Santana, Lackey, Greinke, Lester, Lee, Gallardo, and Volquez are usual suspects in most top 20 lists.
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