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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Field » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:23 pm

Guys I like in this range:

Cain - Still very young (younger than LIncecum in fact), but not green by any means. Has prototypical build/frame.
Greinke - Deceiving fastball for his size with great ability to change speeds while not losing any command.
Gallardo - Has dominated almost every time he's taken the mound at the major league level (save 1 start in Coors)
Johnson - I think he has been discussed in full.
Cueto - Will probably be around later than the rest, I could see him outperforming Volquez this season.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:31 pm

Kingctb27 wrote:
Yoda wrote:Scherzer seems to be overlooked. Everyone is going nuts over Price and Joba but I think Scherzer is the better buy. He did get injured which is concerning but he pitched well everywhere including the AFL. Should be a good bargain late in the draft.

True. I also like Kershaw a lot although he is pretty young.

Others I will be drafting in this range.

Josh Johnson.
Nolasco.
Grienke
Price
Danks
Slowey
Morrow
Baker
Pelfrey
Carpenter


Guys I am avoiding:

Cain
Zambrano
Lilly
Myers
Floyd


I actually like Cain a lot. People forget how young he is and he has some dominant stuff.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Bloody Sox » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:10 pm

Yoda wrote:I actually like Cain a lot. People forget how young he is and he has some dominant stuff.

You think he'll be more consistent this year? He's been painful to own the last two seasons, unless you like roller coasters.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby TheGhost76777 » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:18 pm

My Top 75:

1 Johan Santana
2 Tim Lincecum
3 CC Sabathia
4 Jake Peavy
5 Cole Hamels
6 Brandon Webb
7 Roy Halladay
8 Dan Haren
9 Scott Kazmir
10 Chad Billingsley
11 John Lackey
12 Josh Beckett
13 Felix Hernandez
14 Ervin Santana
15 Roy Oswalt
16 Rich Harden
17 Erik Bedard
18 Cliff Lee
19 Carlos Zambrano
20 Ben Sheets
21 Francisco Liriano
22 Matt Cain
23 Zack Greinke
24 James Shields
25 Daisuke Matsuzaka
26 Jon Lester
27 Joba Chamberlain
28 David Price
29 Javier Vazquez
30 Yovani Gallardo
31 Adam Wainwright
32 Josh Johnson
33 Edinson Volquez
34 Aaron Harang
35 A.J. Burnett
36 Ricky Nolasco
37 Brandon Morrow
38 Max Scherzer
39 Clayton Kershaw
40 Brett Myers
41 Randy Johnson
42 Matt Garza
43 John Danks
44 Justin Verlander
45 Oliver Perez
46 Jonathon Sanchez
47 Derek Lowe
48 Chris Young
49 Ryan Dempster
50 Ted Lilly
51 Fausto Carmona
52 Chien-Meng Wang
53 Justin Duchscherer
54 Chris Carpenter
55 Kevin Slowey
56 Jair Jurrjens
57 Gavin Floyd
58 Mark Buehrle
59 Hirioki Kuroda
60 Joe Saunders
61 Scott Baker
62 Johnny Cueto
63 Wandy Rodriguez
64 Ubaldo Jiminez
65 Jered Weaver
66 Joe Blanton
67 Jeremy Guthrie
68 Jeremy Bonderman
69 Gil Meche
70 Paul Maholm
71 Anthony Reyes
72 Armando Galaragga
73 Jamie Moyer
74 Shaun Marcum
75 John Maine
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby mannin52 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:31 pm

[quote="Yoda"][quote="Kingctb27"][quote="Yoda"]Scherzer seems to be overlooked. Everyone is going nuts over Price and Joba but I think Scherzer is the better buy. He did get injured which is concerning but he pitched well everywhere including the AFL. Should be a good bargain late in the draft.[/quote]
True. I also like Kershaw a lot although he is pretty young.

Others I will be drafting in this range.

Josh Johnson.
Nolasco.
Grienke
Price
Danks
Slowey
Morrow
Baker
Pelfrey
Carpenter


Guys I am avoiding:

Cain
Zambrano
Lilly
Myers
Floyd[/quote]

I actually like Cain a lot. People forget how young he is and he has some dominant stuff.[/quote]

Are you avoiding Cain or not? You like him but are avoiding him? And what do you see in Pelfrey? What's the difference between Floyd and Danks?
I saw some flashes from Pelfrey but he seemed so inconsistant, and I think that went for Floyd too.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby kab21 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:48 pm

The difference between Floyd and Danks is quite large imo. Danks always maintained a good K rate thru the minors (9.3), Floyd's was always average (maybe even a little below average for a MiLB'er prospect). Danks is still quite young at 23 and I think will continue to improve. Danks FIP was around 3.40 last year, Floyd's was 4.80 largely due to his lucky .264 BAPIP.

I will be looking to draft Danks starting in round 15 (maybe on rd earlier) depending on what other pitchers are available. I wouldn't even draft Floyd in a 12 team, 23 round draft.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:12 pm

kab21 wrote:The difference between Floyd and Danks is quite large imo. Danks always maintained a good K rate thru the minors (9.3), Floyd's was always average (maybe even a little below average for a MiLB'er prospect). Danks is still quite young at 23 and I think will continue to improve. Danks FIP was around 3.40 last year, Floyd's was 4.80 largely due to his lucky .264 BAPIP.

I will be looking to draft Danks starting in round 15 (maybe on rd earlier) depending on what other pitchers are available. I wouldn't even draft Floyd in a 12 team, 23 round draft.


Yeah they are not close. Danks is much younger and has a higher upside.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby rookies and cream » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:23 pm

Yoda wrote:
kab21 wrote:The difference between Floyd and Danks is quite large imo. Danks always maintained a good K rate thru the minors (9.3), Floyd's was always average (maybe even a little below average for a MiLB'er prospect). Danks is still quite young at 23 and I think will continue to improve. Danks FIP was around 3.40 last year, Floyd's was 4.80 largely due to his lucky .264 BAPIP.

I will be looking to draft Danks starting in round 15 (maybe on rd earlier) depending on what other pitchers are available. I wouldn't even draft Floyd in a 12 team, 23 round draft.


Yeah they are not close. Danks is much younger and has a higher upside.


I agree that Danks >> Floyd, but saying Floyd shouldn't be drafted in a 12-team 23-round draft is a bit much. Can you name 75 SP's better than him? I have him ranked around 60.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby Yoda » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 pm

rookies and cream wrote:
Yoda wrote:
kab21 wrote:The difference between Floyd and Danks is quite large imo. Danks always maintained a good K rate thru the minors (9.3), Floyd's was always average (maybe even a little below average for a MiLB'er prospect). Danks is still quite young at 23 and I think will continue to improve. Danks FIP was around 3.40 last year, Floyd's was 4.80 largely due to his lucky .264 BAPIP.

I will be looking to draft Danks starting in round 15 (maybe on rd earlier) depending on what other pitchers are available. I wouldn't even draft Floyd in a 12 team, 23 round draft.


Yeah they are not close. Danks is much younger and has a higher upside.


I agree that Danks >> Floyd, but saying Floyd shouldn't be drafted in a 12-team 23-round draft is a bit much. Can you name 75 SP's better than him? I have him ranked around 60.


Haven't done my rankings but I wouldn't draft him in a standard league for sure.
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Re: 2nd Tier Starters (21-40); The ones who really matter

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:32 pm

Yoda wrote:
rookies and cream wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Yeah they are not close. Danks is much younger and has a higher upside.


I agree that Danks >> Floyd, but saying Floyd shouldn't be drafted in a 12-team 23-round draft is a bit much. Can you name 75 SP's better than him? I have him ranked around 60.


Haven't done my rankings but I wouldn't draft him in a standard league for sure.


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