bigken117 wrote:I would rather have seen Boston put a two year gamble on Sheets. One year deals never fail in the long run though, so I'm not too broken up or excited about this either way. Penny can be a good pitcher when he's on, which is more than Colon had going for him.
Yea a CY Young Award is just worthless these days...
Johan '05: 2.87 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 238 K Buehrle '05: 3.12 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 146 K Colon '05: 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 157 K
Please never bring up Colon's Cy Young award to support an argument in favor of him. Two players easily put up better numbers than he did, and I'd even make an argument to rank Rivera and his 1.38/0.87/80/43 (2 BSV) line above Colon.
Plus that award was 3 years old by the time Colon signed with Boston, and he himself was 35.
nice job cherry-picking stats... let me provide the numbers that really matter... Johan '05: 16 Wins Buehrle '05: 16 Wins Colon '05: 21 Wins
jlm53089 wrote: Yea a CY Young Award is just worthless these days...
Johan '05: 2.87 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 238 K Buehrle '05: 3.12 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 146 K Colon '05: 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 157 K
Please never bring up Colon's Cy Young award to support an argument in favor of him. Two players easily put up better numbers than he did, and I'd even make an argument to rank Rivera and his 1.38/0.87/80/43 (2 BSV) line above Colon.
Plus that award was 3 years old by the time Colon signed with Boston, and he himself was 35.
nice job cherry-picking stats... let me provide the numbers that really matter... Johan '05: 16 Wins Buehrle '05: 16 Wins Colon '05: 21 Wins
Good luck getting out of that one.
What are you kidding? There's no need to "get out" of anything....what has been in question is Bartolo's TALENT....
Wins do not measure talent nearly as good as ERA, WHIP, and Strike Outs....that is undeniable in any conversation involving logic...it's not cherry picking at all...Colon's Cy Young was brought up to defend the guys TALENT..and then the three most mainstream pitching stats that display talent were thrown back in his face and it's clear Bartolo was not the best pitcher in 2005...
Unless you were joking, in which case I apologize...but, your tone screamed more "utterly ridiculous" than "sarcastic"
I really don't see the hang up here....
As for Penny....doesn't lift my dress up...the Teixeira signing has left me lifeless. Sheets or nothing.
Why don't they just get a house that's already painted?
bigken117 wrote:I would rather have seen Boston put a two year gamble on Sheets. One year deals never fail in the long run though, so I'm not too broken up or excited about this either way. Penny can be a good pitcher when he's on, which is more than Colon had going for him.
Yea a CY Young Award is just worthless these days...
Johan '05: 2.87 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 238 K Buehrle '05: 3.12 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 146 K Colon '05: 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 157 K
Please never bring up Colon's Cy Young award to support an argument in favor of him. Two players easily put up better numbers than he did, and I'd even make an argument to rank Rivera and his 1.38/0.87/80/43 (2 BSV) line above Colon.
Plus that award was 3 years old by the time Colon signed with Boston, and he himself was 35.
Regardless of whether or not he should have won the Cy Young that year, he still was a good pitcher. Those stats are still good, so I wouldn't use the argument that Penny is a better pickup when he's on.
Penny stock just fell further than I already had it....I'd be suprised if he doesn't get shelled in the AL East. I wouldn't be suprised if he started off the first month or even two at a decent clip but he'll get rocked when all is said and done I'd imagine.
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Regardless of whether or not he should have won the Cy Young that year, he still was a good pitcher. Those stats are still good, so I wouldn't use the argument that Penny is a better pickup when he's on.
Maybe, but that was the last time Colon was on.
The last time Penny was "on."
2007: 16-4, 208ip, 3.03 era, 151 era+
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.
I don't this necessarily eliminates Smoltz or Sheets out of the fold. Penny could be used in the 'pen to conserve his arm. Along the lines of what bigken said, I too would like to see a pursuit of Sheets for a 2-3 yr deal.
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Regardless of whether or not he should have won the Cy Young that year, he still was a good pitcher. Those stats are still good, so I wouldn't use the argument that Penny is a better pickup when he's on.
Maybe, but that was the last time Colon was on.
The last time Penny was "on."
2007: 16-4, 208ip, 3.03 era, 151 era+
Also Penny will be 31 heading into the season, Colon was 35 last year.
Just because a player put up good stats 3 years ago doesn't mean he has anything going for him now. Richie Sexson hit 34 HR in 2006. Does not mean he has anything going for him now.
Have to wait and hear on his shoulder before you can begin to gauge his value.
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Regardless of whether or not he should have won the Cy Young that year, he still was a good pitcher. Those stats are still good, so I wouldn't use the argument that Penny is a better pickup when he's on.
Maybe, but that was the last time Colon was on.
The last time Penny was "on."
2007: 16-4, 208ip, 3.03 era, 151 era+
Also Penny will be 31 heading into the season, Colon was 35 last year.
Just because a player put up good stats 3 years ago doesn't mean he has anything going for him now. Richie Sexson hit 34 HR in 2006. Does not mean he has anything going for him now.
Have to wait and hear on his shoulder before you can begin to gauge his value.
Either way, I don't see Penny being such a pretty bargain. He wastes a good deal of pitches on a flat fastball that tends to get a good share of foul balls and Penny's HR/FB rate finally caught up to him last year when in the year prior, it was unusually low.
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by One year deals never fail in the long run though, so I'm not too broken up or excited about this either way. Penny can be a good pitcher when he's on, which is more than Colon had going for him.
