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Postby tavo2311 » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:58 pm

Hey all - I have long been against the idea of points head to head for baseball, but decided to give it a shot this year with one of my leagues before I make a decision. Can some of you with good points league set ups either post them here and/or shoot me a PM? I am working on developing one now that works out to value hitters and pitchers generally evenly, and then fairly values hitters relative to other hitters and pitchers the same. I don't want to totally lose my roto roots, and wind up with a system where there is no use for the .280 hitting 40 steal guy and whatnot. Thanks
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Re: Points League setup

Postby noseeum » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:16 pm

This is probably better asked in the Commissioner's corner, and it's actually been asked a few times.

Here's a couple of posts that can help:
viewtopic.php?f=189&t=341354&hilit=points+league

viewtopic.php?f=189&t=326468&hilit=points+league

Not much help on the offensive side there, but I'll give you my .02 for offense. Don't use any negatives for caught stealing. It makes stolen bases irrelevant because the only people caught stealing are people who steal bases.

I personally don't have negatives for anything on offense, but I think I would be tempted to throw in a -.5 for strikeouts if the rest of my league had an interest. Just keep in mind if you go this route what it means. It significantly decreases the value of a lot of power hitters. I would definitely NOT do -1 for an offensive strikeout.

Here's my offensive setup, which is basically default CBS with minor adjustments:
1B-1, 2B-2, 3B-3, HR-4, R-1, RBI-1, SB-2, BB-1, HBP-1, IBB-1. No bonus points for grand slams or anything. You already get 9 points for one anyway, so it's plenty beneficial IMO.

Pitching setup:
W-10, S-8, L- -2, BS- -2, IP-2, K-1, BB- -.5, H- -.5, ER- -1, CG-5

It's quite easy using Excel to apply a points system to a previous season to see how players rank and make adjustments accordingly.

Under the system I use, power hitting high OBP types are the most valuable offensive players and there's a pretty fair balance between closers and starters with a slight tilt towards high quality starters, as you can see from the first thread I posted. Poor starting pitchers can really kill you because of the negatives.

Points leagues are great. Enjoy!
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Re: Points League setup

Postby tavo2311 » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:27 pm

Thanks for the guidance. I am using excel now to generate rankings on the past 3 years stats in different scoring systems, just wanted a system to start with that someone already thought made some sense. One question for you if you don't mind. Why no negatives for AB's, even -.25 or something. This way it would have a semblance of Avg, OBP, etc... Thanks
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Re: Points League setup

Postby WickedSmaat » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:20 pm

tavo2311 wrote:Thanks for the guidance. I am using excel now to generate rankings on the past 3 years stats in different scoring systems, just wanted a system to start with that someone already thought made some sense. One question for you if you don't mind. Why no negatives for AB's, even -.25 or something. This way it would have a semblance of Avg, OBP, etc... Thanks


well if a guy goes 4 for 4 he gets 3 points instead of 4, kind of seems backwards to me.
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Re: Points League setup

Postby noseeum » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:39 pm

tavo2311 wrote:Thanks for the guidance. I am using excel now to generate rankings on the past 3 years stats in different scoring systems, just wanted a system to start with that someone already thought made some sense. One question for you if you don't mind. Why no negatives for AB's, even -.25 or something. This way it would have a semblance of Avg, OBP, etc... Thanks


There's already a semblance of average and obp using hits and walks. High average/high walk guys get more points. I advise not attempting to band aid roto characteristics onto a points league. Negatives should only be applied to bad things. An at bat is not a bad thing.

Others may disagree but that's my take.
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Re: Points League setup

Postby Kraftwerk » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:41 pm

1) No way Id ever negatively impact AB...makes no sense at all. Players average is reflected in 1B, 2b,3B and HR etc...more like a OPS.

2) Noseeum - You only reward intentional walks?

By far the biggest challenge of points league creation is finding the balance between pitching and hitting. I think Noseeum has you on the right path ;-D
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Re: Points League setup

Postby Mike_nyc » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:40 am

I've got a spreadsheet which enables you to change scoring and see how players look under different systems. I'm working on the hitters but the pitchers portion is complete if you want it. It also shows what % of each stat encompasses a players total point total which i feel helps identify the categories that are more important (if not apparent from the get go)

I've run a ppr league for 3 years now, and while more info has become available, its still kind of tough because formats are different everywhere.

PM me if you're interested
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Re: Points League setup

Postby noseeum » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:20 pm

Kraftwerk wrote:1) No way Id ever negatively impact AB...makes no sense at all. Players average is reflected in 1B, 2b,3B and HR etc...more like a OPS.

2) Noseeum - You only reward intentional walks?

By far the biggest challenge of points league creation is finding the balance between pitching and hitting. I think Noseeum has you on the right path ;-D


Nice catch. My mistake. Original post fixed. Thanks!
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Re: Points League setup

Postby Mike_nyc » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:47 pm

I'm actually planning on decreasing the pitchers value for the upcoming year. Last year hitters and pitchers were ranked equally, but given the deep rosters in my league, owners would load up on relief pitchers and thus the amount of pitching points teams would put up would slightly outweigh the hitters (consistently). Additionally, it was tough for a team to compensate for a poor pitching week, as the range (diff between highest and lowest scores) was significantly higher on the pitching spectrum then the hitting.
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Re: Points League setup

Postby noseeum » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:02 pm

Mike_nyc wrote:I'm actually planning on decreasing the pitchers value for the upcoming year. Last year hitters and pitchers were ranked equally, but given the deep rosters in my league, owners would load up on relief pitchers and thus the amount of pitching points teams would put up would slightly outweigh the hitters (consistently). Additionally, it was tough for a team to compensate for a poor pitching week, as the range (diff between highest and lowest scores) was significantly higher on the pitching spectrum then the hitting.


Yeah we have the same problem. Decent idea to just reduce pitching's overall impact, but I'm not sure how popular it might be with my league.
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