20 team 10 player keeper. My roster is pretty loaded right now and I am trying to find a way to get a couple top 10 players with my excess. Here was my worthy roster pieces prior to the deals:
Rocco Baldelli TB Billy Butler KC Carl Crawford TB Nelson Cruz Tex Alex Gordon KC Josh Hamilton Tex Howie Kendrick LAA Magglio Ordóñez Det José Reyes NYM Justin Upton Ari Delmon Young Min Matt Cain SF Cole Hamels Phi Clayton Kershaw LAD Francisco Liriano Min
I traded Butler, Cain, and Crawford for R. Halladay, D. Ortiz, and K. Johjima then I traded M. Ordonez, N. Cruz for J. Verlander and J. Giambi
I plan on making 2 more big deals for hopefully Sizemore and Wright. I can only keep 10 so like death I can't take the rest with me. Did I make good deals to accomplish my goal? .
I'm thinking in terms of trading chips and believe you lost value in the second trade since Ordonez is the best player. The first trade is pretty equal and can be argued either way as far as trading chips.
I think you need to stop tinkering with your roster and make your moves. Your keepers now look like
Ortiz Halladay Verlander Gordon Hamilton Reyes Upton Hamels Kershaw Liriano
Maybe you could package Delmon, Cruz, and Gordon to someone rebuilding for someone like Wright. I think you'd have a hard time with your excess in getting another top 10 player.
i like the first trade as halladay is a pretty big improvement over cain, and i think ortiz and crawford are pretty close to even. not a fan of the second one, as ordonez is the best player in the deal by a pretty big margin. not really a fan of verlander and i doubt you'd be keeping giambi anyways.
Personally I don't like either of them. It looks like you traded your youth for veterans. On top of that they are all guys that have seen the DL a little too often. Granted they probably could win you a title this year but you gave up the future for the present. Which isn't a bad move except that everyone of those players have to be healthy and that is asking a lot.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."- Douglas Adams
[quote="MaudDib"]Personally I don't like either of them. It looks like you traded your youth for veterans. On top of that they are all guys that have seen the DL a little too often. Granted they probably could win you a title this year but you gave up the future for the present. Which isn't a bad move except that everyone of those players have to be healthy and that is asking a lot.[/quote]
Come now I am still awful young, I doubt I gave up my youth. Upton 21, Kershaw 21, Gordon 24, Young 23, Kendrick 24, Verlander 25, Liriano 25, Hamels 25, Hamilton 28, Reyes 25. Hell both Halladay and Ortiz are still early 30's.
Fit into this current team Cain, Crawford, Magglio, Butler, and Cruz. Crawford is the only piece I would keep over any of the above 12 and at what time do you have enough speed. Delmon is not a bad piece to have as a 10th keeper over Maggs. Also I think it is a lot easier to deal Halladay and Ortiz as a package, 2 for 1's are easier to find than 3 for 1's. And Magglio at 36 is not in anyway better than Verlander. At this time last year Verlander at 23 was going to be a Cy Young winner on the World Series Champs in many people's eyes. This seems a lot like Ervin Santana of last year, with the main difference being Verlander is much more talented. Magglio is a great player but how many of you keep him over Delmon. I personally keep the 23 yr old with an anger issue and more talent than most men alive. He'll grow up.
And if you aren't trying to win it, this year, what are you doing. I play in a lot of leagues and mostly keepers. I have tried several different methods of building teams and the one sure fire way of not winning is playing for next year. Young players are too hard to guess as you can see by my team I have tried this method. Gordon, Delmon, Kendrick, Butler, Cain, etc were all can't miss guys who were going to set the world on fire.
I like the first trade, I'd say you gave away the best player in Crawford, but Halladay is more of a sure thing over Cain and a healthy Ortiz can still post top-level power numbers. I'm also not that keen on the second. I think possibly Verlander could be a good buy low guy, but even though Ordonez naturally regressed, he's still valuable enough to net a more dependable pitcher than JV.
Josh Hamilton Tex José Reyes NYM Justin Upton Ari Alex Gordon Cole Hamels Phi Clayton Kershaw LAD Francisco Liriano Min R. Halladay, D. Ortiz J. Verlander
These are the 10 I would keep. I think your first trade was decent, but the second trade was a huge loss on your part.
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by terribletetrick » Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:58 pm 
