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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby Big Pimpin » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:56 pm

AussieDodger wrote:
JTWood wrote:Looks like Obama's gonna go this route whether we can afford it or not:

MSNBC.com wrote:"Sen. Daschle has a deep commitment to securing high-quality, affordable health care for everyone in our nation," said Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA. "His new leadership position confirms that the incoming Obama administration has made health care reform a top and early priority for action in 2009."


And how is this a bad thing?
You guys have no idea what you are missing. :-S


Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B

I know that what we've got now isn't the answer, but I don't think socialized medicine is either. Maybe free access to preventive care for all Americans and end it right there.
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby Yoda » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:11 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B

I know that what we've got now isn't the answer, but I don't think socialized medicine is either. Maybe free access to preventive care for all Americans and end it right there.


Maybe we should get rid of Social Security and Medicare as well? Hell, I am all for that since I know that I won't see a single dime of that money when I retire in 90 years.
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby Big Pimpin » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:19 pm

Yoda wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B

I know that what we've got now isn't the answer, but I don't think socialized medicine is either. Maybe free access to preventive care for all Americans and end it right there.


Maybe we should get rid of Social Security and Medicare as well? Hell, I am all for that since I know that I won't see a single dime of that money when I retire in 90 years.


Now you're talking! And Medicaid, and Welfare, and the Department of Education, and the Postal Service! Go Yoda go! ;-D
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby Phatferd » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:20 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B

I know that what we've got now isn't the answer, but I don't think socialized medicine is either. Maybe free access to preventive care for all Americans and end it right there.


Maybe we should get rid of Social Security and Medicare as well? Hell, I am all for that since I know that I won't see a single dime of that money when I retire in 90 years.


Now you're talking! And Medicaid, and Welfare, and the Department of Education, and the Postal Service! Go Yoda go! ;-D


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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby StlSluggers » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:22 pm

How's this for a funny turnaround:

It's strange times when self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives are actually supporting the notion of a trillion-dollar deficit.

:-S :-S :-S

And I would be totally in favor of at least dumping Social Security. It's rate of return is next to nothing... or worse.
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby Yoda » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:23 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B

I know that what we've got now isn't the answer, but I don't think socialized medicine is either. Maybe free access to preventive care for all Americans and end it right there.


Maybe we should get rid of Social Security and Medicare as well? Hell, I am all for that since I know that I won't see a single dime of that money when I retire in 90 years.


Now you're talking! And Medicaid, and Welfare, and the Department of Education, and the Postal Service! Go Yoda go! ;-D


Yep, let's just deregulate everything. No more government. Hell if Somalia can do it, why can't we? ;-7
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby StlSluggers » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:25 pm

I think there's a difference between social programs and regulation.

But piracy seems like the way for me! :-D
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby Yoda » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:31 pm

I'd vote for BP for president.
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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby AussieDodger » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:48 am

Big Pimpin wrote:Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B


<rant>What?
Where are you seeing long lines? What country?
I have never, ever had to line up for medical care.
Never, ever, ever.


This post smells like fear-mongering from someone who can't open their eyes to something that is really really good for their country. (No offense).

And see this thing........................

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In Australia you go to the doctor and pay your 40 bucks or whatever, go down the road to Medicare, present your card and get 30 bucks back. EVERYBODY has this card. America (used to) have the money to set this stuff up - if Australia can do it why can't you?
You know why? Because one half of the political spectrum has their head up their starfish, and thinks that if you do this (i.e THE RIGHT THING) that you become communists/socialists. And this being the 1950s still, we can't have that can we?

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Re: Universal Health Care? In This Economy??

Postby bigh0rt » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:03 am

AussieDodger wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:Long lines, unfettered access to health care for only the most unproductive members of society (those who can afford to wait in said lines), lack of innovation, and another gigantic bureaucracy? Yay! :-B


<rant>What?
Where are you seeing long lines? What country?
I have never, ever had to line up for medical care.
Never, ever, ever.


This post smells like fear-mongering from someone who can't open their eyes to something that is really really good for their country. (No offense).

And see this thing........................

Image

In Australia you go to the doctor and pay your 40 bucks or whatever, go down the road to Medicare, present your card and get 30 bucks back. EVERYBODY has this card. America (used to) have the money to set this stuff up - if Australia can do it why can't you?
You know why? Because one half of the political spectrum has their head up their starfish, and thinks that if you do this (i.e THE RIGHT THING) that you become communists/socialists. And this being the 1950s still, we can't have that can we?

<end rant and sorry if I offended anyone ;-) >

I have, first hand, experienced absurdy long lines at the hospital in Canada. I'd much prefer they simply made health care cheaper for those who aren't provided it by their employers, but I am against it being free, and I'm a pretty liberal person in general. The last thing I need is to wait behind three people who cut themselves shaving when I have an actual injury/illness in need of medical attention -- and that's exactly what I experienced in Canada.
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