CC for Vlad + prospects, WHIR

[labardo31]

Hey all....so here's what I've got on the table right now:

I have CC. Another manager really really wants him. We keep 8 major league players and 15 minor league players for next year.

The other manager has offered me Vlad, Gio Gonzalez, Jarrod Parker, and Ben Revere

My current 8 keepers are
Jose Reyes, Chutley, Adrian Gonzo, Garrett Atkins, Corey Hart, CC, Dan Haren, and Felix Hernandez

I would gladly include Gio and Parker on my minor league squad, but I'm not sure Revere would be that much better than some of my current players. But for the sake of argument, let's say I would keep all three.

So, CC for Vlad + prospects....would you pull this trigger?

Thanks in advance, leave a link if you'd like an opinion on an issue of your own.

[fast dogs]

He doesn't want him nearly enough. Vlad is clearly nearing the end of his studly days; prospects are great but I think the big names need to be much closer than this. CC's a horse & if the innings don't add up on him like they do alot of pitchers he's going to continue to be a horse for many more years. I'm not trading anybody really good for Vlad anymore, suggest you do the same

[kimchi_chigae]

Interesting. What are some of the other prospects he has? I would definitely trade for Parker, but I'm not crazy about Gio Gonzalez and Ben Revere. Don't get me wrong, they are decent, but I'm wondering if he has a top 25 talent on his team, in which case I would gladly take him over one of Gonzalez or Revere.

I really don't think the trade is bad as it is right now. Vlad isn't the stud he used to be, but he's still going to put up decent numbers. The gap between CC and Vlad isn't that big and I think a few good prospects will make up for the difference. And that's why I think it would be a nice trade for you if you could get another top 25 prospect instead of a guy like Ben Revere. Depending on the guy, you can even let him keep Gonzalez and Revere.

[bigken117]

That's not bad return, Parker is a stud. But I'd rather hear some other prospects named instead of Gio and Revere.

[MaudDib]

I am not sure that is the deal you should make if you trade CC. Parker is a nice pickup but he is no guarantee to be a stud. Gio also shows a lot of promise but again not a sure thing. I also agree Vlad is no longer the stud OF. Saying that I think it would be in your best intrest to move CC. After what the Brewers did to CC, I don't expect him to pitch the entire season. Just like RB's who are over used one year and the next year aren't the same, I see the same thing with SP's. CC was way over used by the Brewers and CC has a history of injury concerns. Sell, Sell, Sell.

[San D]

I agree with the consensus. I think it's a decent deal provided you can get a slight prospect upgrade over Gonzalez and Revere.

[kcbrett5]

CC is in his prime, Vlad is nearing the end, although still nice to have. BUt I would ask for better prospects. He should still do the deal.

[tyler2]

CC was way over used by the Brewers and CC has a history of injury concerns. Sell, Sell, Sell.

I'm not sure this is accurate. CC's never pitched less than 180 innings (and that was his first year in the league). Also, FWIW, his last 3 years are 241, 253 (plus playoffs), and 253. High workloads to be sure, but I'm not sure the Brewers' use of him was dramatically different from the Indians'. Basically, you either believe CC's a horse, or that the career-long history of high IP will eventually catch up with him. I don't think that he has either a significant injury history or that his use by the Brewers puts him at a heightened risk (at least not moreso than 2007).

Also, even if you think it's time to sell high on CC, I don't think this is the right deal. If you're at the point in the success cycle where you're trying to win now, the step-down from Vlad to CC doesn't make sense, and the prospects obviously won't help you now. If you're expecting to contend in a few years, Vlad ain't going to be part of your next championship team. You might be able to flip him to someone else for prospects, but I'd want to have that deal in place before I made this one.

[Niffoc4]

Parker's a year or two away (if I recall correctly), and the other two aren't that great of prospects. Gio couldn't get his ERA under 4 in AAA, sure the PCL is hard on pitchers, but if you're going to do well in the majors then you should do well in the minors. Ben Revere is a leadoff man, potentially a solid one, but he has NO power. That makes him a 3 cat guy in 5x5 leagues... possibly dominant in SBs, and again he's a couple of years away. My tendency on prospects is to shy away from long-term prospects like this, because IF they payoff it will be a few years down the road, and that isn't a guarantee.
So I side with the hold out for more crowd. Any hitters better than Revere out there? Replacing Gio with a solid hitting prospect might bring it closer...

Can you help with mine?
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[ensanimal]

An intersting proposal for sure.

Starting with Felix and Haren, you can afford the loss of CC. Adding Vlad to your offense would give you another solid bat and help out your OF, as your infield is set.

The question though is, is it worth it?

The stud bat on the downside of his career, or the staff ace on the upswing, but with some hesitation because of the workload he has had. I think if you could switch out Gio and Revere for another top prospect instead I would do it. What does your minor league squad look like now? Does it need some new talent badly?