Mafia IX Day Two

[dclark0699]

I'm going to read back on everything but 90% of day 1 was snakes, sim, me, hort, and yoda if I recall correctly. I really am not sure who killed who between h0rt and Yoda, I can see reasons why they were both killed. I would have to leave towards the mafia killing h0rt, but his killing an ISK doesn't really prove his innocence to the town either. H0rt really put his neck out for Snakes though, and I don't think anyone would believe he would risk that if he was mafia.

I'd think the mafia would have killed h0rt - he does a good job on the research and presenting solid arguments. I just can't see them going after Yoda on day 1 when he was gaining a little suspicion. It's easy to lead a lynch train on Yoda .

[ThatDude]

So a guy sits back and watches all the craziness of yesterday, tries to soak it all up objectively, and gets labeled a mafia because of it? interesting.

I tried to keep a level head, maintaining my belief that nobody was above suspicion. And that's a statement that's just as true today as it was yesterday.

I'm still not convinced that Collins is the investigator, and given that, his vouching for Sim is unconvincing as well. But I'm probably alone on that, and if you think that's enough to put the mafia tag on me, so be it. I guess I'll find out when/if he dies tonight.

Note -- If/When Collins dies and it's revealed he is a dirty lying mafia, that doesn't necessarily mean that SIm is one as well. It doesn't look good for him, and it's a nice move by Collins to try to take another townie down with him, but Collins being mafia doesn't guarantee Sim being mafia. (Although...the more I think about it, Sim made a comment about not believing how the rest of us could believe Collins' claim of being the investigator. I don't remember exactly when Sim changed his tune on that. Something I'll have to remember to look for when I'm re-reading day 1 later on)



Now then....onto this "case" against me...

So what if I didn't vote against anyone? I really don't see how that has any bearing on things. I certainly voiced my opinion in saying that there were half a dozen people I was suspicious of, and when I get the time, I'll go back and re-read through the first day and see if I can firm those up a bit, or eliminate them from the list. You might notice that even though my dice roll vote was for Yoda, I removed it, because while I was suspicious of him in the later part of day 1, it wasn't enough to warrant a vote. Throwing around votes (aside from the obvious joke-ish ones in the very early going) isn't my style.


Yes, I was kinda quiet yesterday, and for good reason. There was more than enough wildness being thrown around, and as I stated yesterday...."confusion is the ally of the mafia". Instead of jumping in and adding to the confusion with my own speculations and theories, I decided to sit back, listen, and see what stood out. We got lucky and nailed Snakes, mostly because of some bad play on his part, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a mess of other things going on.





I kinda felt like typing more here, but decided to just leave it at that. I got a busy day ahead of me and probably won't get around to re-reading day 1 stuff until later tonight. Whether I'm still alive or not when I do it is a different matter.

[teddy ballgame]

Teddy, through all of yesterday it is a little concerning to me that you don't think anyone was suspicious.

I didn't say I don't think anyone was suspicious, I just don't have any feelings stronger than the evidence you laid out against ThatDude. I'm not sure what to think about J, I'm suspicious of BP, and I voted for ThatDude. That leaves 4 other people. The Janitor I can't blame for going after Yoda. Inuk I really have no idea about. Dclark and Aussie are both wild cards who are always hard to read.

I'm still not convinced that Collins is the investigator, and given that, his vouching for Sim is unconvincing as well. But I'm probably alone on that, and if you think that's enough to put the mafia tag on me, so be it. I guess I'll find out when/if he dies tonight.

Note -- If/When Collins dies and it's revealed he is a dirty lying mafia, that doesn't necessarily mean that SIm is one as well. It doesn't look good for him, and it's a nice move by Collins to try to take another townie down with him, but Collins being mafia doesn't guarantee Sim being mafia. (Although...the more I think about it, Sim made a comment about not believing how the rest of us could believe Collins' claim of being the investigator. I don't remember exactly when Sim changed his tune on that. Something I'll have to remember to look for when I'm re-reading day 1 later on)

I flirted with this idea but at this point because no one else has come forward as the investigator, there's no reason not to believe him. It certainly could have been possible that KC is mafia and he chose to tell Sim he was innocent to gain his trust, because Sim was the biggest doubter on Day 1, but no one else has come forward. You seem to be trying to hint something though. If you are indeed the investigator you should come forward at this point. We'll be able to lynch a mafia in KC, and the doctor will be able to protect you tonight since they presumably protected KC last night.

[dclark0699]

You seem to be trying to hint something though. If you are indeed the investigator you should come forward at this point. We'll be able to lynch a mafia in KC, and the doctor will be able to protect you tonight since they presumably protected KC last night.

Agreed.

[ThatDude]

I'm still not convinced that Collins is the investigator, and given that, his vouching for Sim is unconvincing as well. But I'm probably alone on that, and if you think that's enough to put the mafia tag on me, so be it. I guess I'll find out when/if he dies tonight.

Note -- If/When Collins dies and it's revealed he is a dirty lying mafia, that doesn't necessarily mean that SIm is one as well. It doesn't look good for him, and it's a nice move by Collins to try to take another townie down with him, but Collins being mafia doesn't guarantee Sim being mafia. (Although...the more I think about it, Sim made a comment about not believing how the rest of us could believe Collins' claim of being the investigator. I don't remember exactly when Sim changed his tune on that. Something I'll have to remember to look for when I'm re-reading day 1 later on)

I flirted with this idea but at this point because no one else has come forward as the investigator, there's no reason not to believe him. It certainly could have been possible that KC is mafia and he chose to tell Sim he was innocent to gain his trust, because Sim was the biggest doubter on Day 1, but no one else has come forward. You seem to be trying to hint something though. If you are indeed the investigator you should come forward at this point. We'll be able to lynch a mafia in KC, and the doctor will be able to protect you tonight since they presumably protected KC last night.

Two things....

1) I don't think that a lack of someone else disputing his claim makes his claim accurate. It just means it's unchallenged.

2) Assuming Collins is lying, I don't think it's a good idea for the real investigator to step forward. If Collins isn't dead tonight, he'll almost certainly be lynched tomorrow, and we'll still have our investigator hidden from the mafia's knowledge. Maybe if he's uncovered a second mafia in last night's investigation it would be worthwhile, but otherwise, I just don't see it.

[dclark0699]

But if the Doctor did not protect him last night, as a bluff that that was what the mafia expected, and chooses to protect him tonight - we're in trouble.

[ThatDude]

But if the Doctor did not protect him last night, as a bluff that that was what the mafia expected, and chooses to protect him tonight - we're in trouble.

Yup.

[KCollins1304]

If someone else was the investigator I'm sure as hell that they would have kept a vote on me yesterday. The day ended with Aussie having the only vote on me, and I'm not on his list today.

[Inukchuk]

Hm. I noticed something reading day 2 in its entirety: everyone kind of suspects j35j. Putting everyone's theories together really sheds some light on the situation:

KC mentions j never really added anything to the 2 big runs on KC then snakes...true.

I said he seemed really 'bandwagony.'

The quotes that Sim posted showed how ridiculously middle of the road he was on day 1, being careful not to accuse any one person, as well as mentioning how confused he was multiple times.

Teddy mentioned how he may have possibly been trying to erase suspicion by pointing out the fairly obvious fact that no one could be considered innocent after snakes lynching.

Clark pointed out the fact that when he asked for a tally, he became a little overenthusiastic, saying, "Let's hope we get this right...yay team townie!" (by the way, I inserted the last bit just to give a feel for how I interpreted it... )

Finally, his vote today for Aussie was weird. All he said was "Interesting..." To what he was referring, I don't know.

Putting all that stuff together, I think there's more than enough for my vote.

vote: j35j

[J35J]

Glad to see the inmates running the assylum! I'll see you all in hell! Inuk, Aussie and DClark are my suspects just keep that in mind.