markj11 wrote:Yoda wrote:Half a point plus in ERA is huge.
CC --> 6 CG 3 SHO 1.56 ERA .97 WHIP
Lince --> 2 CG 1 SHO 2.68 ERA 1.07 WHIP
Santana --> 3 CG 2 SHO 2.17 ERA 1.10 WHIP
Eh... what were their RA? FIP? Also you have to account for CC's league change midseason since no one in NL faced him before. That is a big advantage.
I don't know what these really mean but I'm guessing the lower the better? Also, I could not find just second half stats for Lince or Santana. Should we compare Santana's first half instead since it was his first in the NL? I just don't see why so many try to dismiss what a great second half CC had.
CC --> 2.14 RA 2.51 FIP
Lince --> 2.85 RA 2.67 FIP
Santana --> 2.84 RA 3.51 FIP
How exactly is anyone trying to dismiss CC's great second half? Is it because we don't believe that he deserves the Cy based on 3 months?
You are doing the opposite by talking up CC's great second half. You are discounting what Lincecum and Santana did in their first half. How does that make any sense whatsoever?
The award is called 2008 NL Cy Young. Not 2008 Post All Star Break NL Cy Young or 2008 3 months NL Cy Young. Get over it.
Holy cow man, when you are proven statically incorrect don't go ape sh*t. You asked for RA and FIP.Yoda wrote:I'd argue that either Tim or Santana would have done just as well.
They didn't. I provided stats and you provided, well I provided your stats for you. Is there more you want to argue?
Great so CC had slightly better stats. That doesn't prove that Tim or Santana would not have provided the same push. Or any other top pitcher.