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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby DK » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:51 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
DK wrote:Screw it.

They should just put up a poll here at the Cafe for the official award. A nice discussion about VORP and win shares is what everyone needs.


Well to get back to the first point, Johan and Lincecum are basically neck and neck in VORP, and that's not including today's CG SHO. Lince does have a fair edge in WS (I'm honestly not sure why Johan ranks so low there, either).
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby RocketsDWM » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:57 pm

The point is not "Who will win the MVP award". I think you will have a plethora of posters here who will argue vehemently that the voting process is quite flawed. There are very few times where the baseball writers select the "true" winner. For example, the CY selection seems to go to the pitcher who has garnered the most wins and K's.

I think the only one on the OP list that is a defensible selection would be CC. Almost threw a no-hitter and has absolutely dominated. Without CC, the Brewers would already be eliminated from contention. I think Tim should win it (or Johan) with CC in the discussion.
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby mweir145 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:07 pm

Delgado is the MVP. Look at how he is carrying these Mets to the playoffs.

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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby Pogotheostrich » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:10 am

Yes, but it happens every year. It isn't the Most Valuable Player anymore. It is the Most Valuable Story.
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:10 am

Someone else posted this a week ago, I forget who:

2007 Cubs: 8 games above .500 to end the season
2008 Cubs: 34 games above .500 with one game to go

The difference? Kosuke Fukudome. MVP anyone???
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby HOOTIE » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:43 am

SpecialFNK wrote:its also looked at what players do in key situations, such as helping their teams in playoff races. Howard has been huge in September for Philadelphia.


Tell me. Does a September win count more then a April one? Because if it does, every standings i have seen, is wrong then.

Do you want a ladder? :-D
You like cherry picking September abs. :-t

Had Howard done anything in the beginning, Philly would have clinched long ago. Utley has contributed more then Howard to Phillys success.
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby HOOTIE » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:02 am

SpecialFNK wrote:im tired of hearing people whine about Pujols as if hes the best player in the NL this season, hes not!
what has he done for St.Louis?


Pujols had the best season easy. You can't debate that. :-)
I you want to debate him not for MVP, fine.

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Pujols 141 (1st)
Howard 108 (13th)

Did you know, Utley beats Howard in the following?

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Runs Created
RC/27
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Batting Runs
Batting Wins
Offensive Winning%

Hit a few September hrs, and ESPN sings Howards praises. It's called the Miguel Tejada effect,
when ESPN proclaimed Miggy MVP a few years back.
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:23 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Delgado for MVP?
Howard for MVP?
CC for CY?
Manny for MVP?

When will the lunacy stop?

It's becoming clear, from last year and this year, A Pujols, D Wright, and C Utley are fast becoming the most underrated players, and Howard is becoming the most overrated.


Can we add Pedroia for MVP to this list?
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby Dislexic Irishman » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:37 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:Delgado for MVP?
Howard for MVP?
CC for CY?
Manny for MVP?

When will the lunacy stop?

It's becoming clear, from last year and this year, A Pujols, D Wright, and C Utley are fast becoming the most underrated players, and Howard is becoming the most overrated.


Can we add Pedroia for MVP to this list?

Even as a Boston fan, I have to agree with this. I've never thought of Pedroia as anything but a "good player". Definitely just doesn't feel like an MVP and his numbers aren't particularly impressive. Youk is definitely more valuable to the team, and I would argue he has had the better year anyway.
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Re: Is anyone else sick of hearing.....

Postby Carey Saders » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:15 am

Pujols not the best player in the NL this year? HUH????
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