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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:25 am

Mike wrote:Phelps has more potential than Johnson, but I think you might want to flip flop those two if you want to take a more conservative approach.


I don't know. Phelps has poor command of the strike zone, Nick has great command. I take Johnson here by alot.
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Postby NZF » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:10 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Mike wrote:Phelps has more potential than Johnson, but I think you might want to flip flop those two if you want to take a more conservative approach.


I don't know. Phelps has poor command of the strike zone, Nick has great command. I take Johnson here by alot.


I wouldn't call a career 125 BB / 170 K great command.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:18 am

I wouldn't call a career 125 BB / 170 K great command.


I think everyone would agree that Nick Johnson has great command of the strike zone. Maybe his career BB/K rate isn't "great" but it's pretty good. Also, last season it was 70BB/57K (.422 OBP) and he's just 25, so he should get even better.

Phelps is looking at a 60BB/203K ratio for his career.

Phelps has shown more power (so far). Johnson has the better OBP. Johnson outhit Phelps last year.

I like them both, but I like Johnson better.
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Postby NZF » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:27 am

BobbyRoberto wrote:
I wouldn't call a career 125 BB / 170 K great command.


I think everyone would agree that Nick Johnson has great command of the strike zone. Maybe his career BB/K rate isn't "great" but it's pretty good.


So what you are saying is he has a "pretty good" command of the strike zone ;-)
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:39 am

I guess it depends on where you set the line at "great."

If "great" is 1 BB per 1 K, then his career hasn't been great. Not many players have career numbers like that:

Barry Bonds--2070 BB/1387 K=1.49 BB/K
Todd Helton--540 BB/470 K=1.15 BB/K
Edgar Martinez--1225 BB/1095 K=1.12 BB/K
Albert Pujols--220 BB/227 K=.97 BB/K
Jason Giambi--824 BB/854 K=.96 BB/K
Nick Johnson--125 BB/170 K=.74 BB/K
Alex Rodriguez--559 BB/995 K=.56 BB/K
Sammy Sosa--800 BB/1977 K=.40 BB/K

Nick Johnson was "great" in 2003--70BB/57K=1.23 BB/K
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Postby BitterDodgerFan » Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:57 am

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Postby LBJackal » Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:58 am

roberto g wrote:Don't know what kind of league you're in, but I'd take Johnson. He's more certain of playing time than the other 2 (although he seems to have a propensity for injuries). He's likely to hit 5th for the Expos instead of 8th, as he did for the Yankees. His OBP should be very high unlike Phelps who strikes out a ton. In my 10 team fp league, 18th round, Johnson was taken long ago; Phelps and Fullmer still haven't been.


I'm in a league that doesn't count K/BB ratios for hitters, and not OBA either. So Phelps is probably going to be better. And what makes you think Johnson will get more playing time? Phelps should have plenty, and in that lineup, with as much power as he has, I'd take him easily over Johnson.

And if Johnson was taken that long ago and Phelps hasn't been taken yet, then that proves my point taht people are forgetting about Phelps.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:57 pm

LBJackal wrote:I'm in a league that doesn't count K/BB ratios for hitters, and not OBA either. So Phelps is probably going to be better. And what makes you think Johnson will get more playing time? Phelps should have plenty, and in that lineup, with as much power as he has, I'd take him easily over Johnson.


Your league doesn't have to count them. But those numbers indicate NJ likely will be the better hitter. Wouldn't a guy with a 410 oba probably score and have a better average then a 330 oba guy? While they were close in value last year
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