I wouldn't call a career 125 BB / 170 K great command.
I think everyone would agree that Nick Johnson has great command of the strike zone. Maybe his career BB/K rate isn't "great" but it's pretty good. Also, last season it was 70BB/57K (.422 OBP) and he's just 25, so he should get even better.
Phelps is looking at a 60BB/203K ratio for his career.
Phelps has shown more power (so far). Johnson has the better OBP. Johnson outhit Phelps last year.
I like them both, but I like Johnson better.
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I guess it depends on where you set the line at "great."
If "great" is 1 BB per 1 K, then his career hasn't been great. Not many players have career numbers like that:
Barry Bonds--2070 BB/1387 K=1.49 BB/K
Todd Helton--540 BB/470 K=1.15 BB/K
Edgar Martinez--1225 BB/1095 K=1.12 BB/K
Albert Pujols--220 BB/227 K=.97 BB/K
Jason Giambi--824 BB/854 K=.96 BB/K
Nick Johnson--125 BB/170 K=.74 BB/K Alex Rodriguez--559 BB/995 K=.56 BB/K
Sammy Sosa--800 BB/1977 K=.40 BB/K
Nick Johnson was "great" in 2003--70BB/57K=1.23 BB/K
Roger Angell: I was talking with Bob Gibson and I said: 'Are you always this competitive?' He said: 'Oh, I think so. I got a three-year old daughter, and I've played about 500 games of tic-tac-toe with her and she hasn't beat me yet.'
roberto g wrote:Don't know what kind of league you're in, but I'd take Johnson. He's more certain of playing time than the other 2 (although he seems to have a propensity for injuries). He's likely to hit 5th for the Expos instead of 8th, as he did for the Yankees. His OBP should be very high unlike Phelps who strikes out a ton. In my 10 team fp league, 18th round, Johnson was taken long ago; Phelps and Fullmer still haven't been.
I'm in a league that doesn't count K/BB ratios for hitters, and not OBA either. So Phelps is probably going to be better. And what makes you think Johnson will get more playing time? Phelps should have plenty, and in that lineup, with as much power as he has, I'd take him easily over Johnson.
And if Johnson was taken that long ago and Phelps hasn't been taken yet, then that proves my point taht people are forgetting about Phelps.
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LBJackal wrote:I'm in a league that doesn't count K/BB ratios for hitters, and not OBA either. So Phelps is probably going to be better. And what makes you think Johnson will get more playing time? Phelps should have plenty, and in that lineup, with as much power as he has, I'd take him easily over Johnson.
Your league doesn't have to count them. But those numbers indicate NJ likely will be the better hitter. Wouldn't a guy with a 410 oba probably score and have a better average then a 330 oba guy? While they were close in value last year
NJ $12
JP $13
Phelps did have 70 more abs.
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