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Anyone not using wins?

Postby cubbieball10 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:55 am

Are there any commissioner's out there who are not using wins, and instead using another stat to measure a pitcher's putting his team in a place to win?

I'm starting to see more teams take wins , and then horrendously lose the ERA and WHIP categories. The wins category feels very arbitrary to me.

So is there any one out there who has a suggestion about what direction to head?

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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby Smileyman9 » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:13 am

My league started using Wins along Quality Starts this past season (Yahoo added it as an available stat); As for teams going crazy with the W's and killing the ERA and WHIP - perhaps adding an inning cap wouldn't be too bad of an idea, forces owners to be smart about who they have taking the mound as opposed to just arbitrarily starting anyone with a ^
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby howardryan6 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:09 am

I think that all most all commishes us wins, because it is one of three primary stats for pitchers.
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby Ragoczy » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:46 pm

Both of my roty leagues use wins. One is a 4x4 & one is a 5x5 (runs,k's). In the 5x5 we are considering going to head-to-head and if so would add quality starts to make starting pitchers more attractive and reduce the impact of an innings minimum.
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby Bobbleheadrusty » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:47 am

One way to prevent streaming, not pitchers and positional, is to do weekly rosters. That way at most you see someone cranking a couple 2-start pitchers, but otherwise there is no way to jam in extra starts.
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby lsommerer » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:47 pm

We're not using wins, but we're a points league, so I don't know if that's helpful to you. Here's what we use...

Pitchers:
Inning Pitched (SP) 6pts
Inning Pitched (RP) 9pts
Strikeout 2pts
Pick Off 2pts
Intentional Walks 2pts
Wild Pitch -1pts
Walk Issued -2pts
Hit Allowed -2pts
Hit Batsmen -2pts
Earned Run -8pts
Inherited Run Scored -4pts
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby fast dogs » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:42 pm

I'm warming up to the QS replacing wins, if your SP pitches well you get credit for it. bullpen blows it, bad for the team but you've got your qs already in hand. also alot tougher to stream qs because most of the avail pitchers in the FA pool will have a tougher time getting a qs.
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby DaShiz23 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:11 am

I used QS and wins in one league this past season, it was enjoyable and interesting, as it added a new dimension.
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby ayebatter » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:22 am

I'm assuming (usually a big mistake) that you are a h2h league, if so just limit the innings pitched weekly. A better way, if your stat site permits, limit starts to 162 over the whole season, or 6/7 starts per week.
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Re: Anyone not using wins?

Postby Matthias » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:42 am

Wins vs Quality Starts has been discussed a few times here; you can check out

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=339470

and

viewtopic.php?t=316552

Basically, it's not as cut-and-dried as people think. QS have their own bias, it's just different from Ws.
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