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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:40 pm

rookies and cream wrote:I think Evan just clinched it.


Yeah, I didn't think 3 HR in a game was even possible. :-D
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby chargerss24 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:47 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:
rookies and cream wrote:I think Evan just clinched it.


Yeah, I didn't think 3 HR in a game was even possible. :-D


Yeah, I think he got back some votes after his "Remember Me?" big night tonight. ;-D
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:49 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:
rookies and cream wrote:I think Evan just clinched it.


Yeah, I didn't think 3 HR in a game was even possible. :-D

Well, I did hear once that it might be possible.... :-?
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby rjforlife » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:53 am

RedSoxNation04 wrote:
Omaha Red Sox wrote:
rookies and cream wrote:I think Evan just clinched it.


Yeah, I didn't think 3 HR in a game was even possible. :-D

Well, I did hear once that it might be possible.... :-?



Please dont start.......
Goldy is King.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby rookies and cream » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:10 am

Ellsbury making a last minute push. I know he'll probably still come in 2nd (that's how I'd vote), but I have a feeling 100 runs scored and 50 sb's will get him some 1st place votes.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby rookies and cream » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:59 pm

Huge HR for Alexei. It will be interesting to see how the writers vote the top 3.

1. Longoria
2. Ellsbury
3. Ramirez

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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Bobbleheadrusty » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:40 am

rookies and cream wrote:Huge HR for Alexei. It will be interesting to see how the writers vote the top 3.

1. Longoria
2. Ellsbury
3. Ramirez

???



You have to be kidding me with the Taco Bellbury talk man. He's not even in the top 5 this season, and outside of playing in Boston wouldnt even get a mention. Hes got an OPS+ of 89, provides no power, and, well he had a ton of steals, also got caught 11 times.

Longoria's three home run game got the attention, but AR hit a slam the next day (and the one yesterday). Longoria will win, but the race is closer then the final numbers will so. If Ellsbury finishes in the top 4 it is only because of the preseason hype.

Hell, he hasnt even been the top rookie on his own team, Lowrie has actually put up pretty decent numbers in a lot fewer games (except the SBs, which are overrated) while playing three positions in the infield well.

My guess on the voting
1. Longoria
2. Alexei


3. Ziegler
4. Ellsbury (only on hype)
5. Span (hype and a full season)

Guys like Aviles will be overlooked because their numbers won't stack up to guys who played most of the season.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby rookies and cream » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:16 am

Bobbleheadrusty wrote:
rookies and cream wrote:Huge HR for Alexei. It will be interesting to see how the writers vote the top 3.

1. Longoria
2. Ellsbury
3. Ramirez

???



You have to be kidding me with the Taco Bellbury talk man. He's not even in the top 5 this season, and outside of playing in Boston wouldnt even get a mention. Hes got an OPS+ of 89, provides no power, and, well he had a ton of steals, also got caught 11 times.

Longoria's three home run game got the attention, but AR hit a slam the next day (and the one yesterday). Longoria will win, but the race is closer then the final numbers will so. If Ellsbury finishes in the top 4 it is only because of the preseason hype.

Hell, he hasnt even been the top rookie on his own team, Lowrie has actually put up pretty decent numbers in a lot fewer games (except the SBs, which are overrated) while playing three positions in the infield well.

My guess on the voting
1. Longoria
2. Alexei


3. Ziegler
4. Ellsbury (only on hype)
5. Span (hype and a full season)

Guys like Aviles will be overlooked because their numbers won't stack up to guys who played most of the season.


Not sure why you are using OPS to describe Jacoby's performance. That's clearly not his game. Jacoby leads all rookies in runs scored (nearly 100), stolen bases (50), and triples (7), all while batting .280 and playing terrific defense at all 3 OF positions. These are things that voters look for. Yes, Jacoby plays in BOS and was overhyped preseason, but had a very solid season and actually seems to underhyped now, probably due to falling off the earth mid-season. But he started off and finished the season very strong. He is definitely top 3 IMO.

You mention Ziegler. He wasn't even the best rookie relief pitcher on his own team. That would be Joey Devine.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby RedSoxNation04 » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:49 am

Bobbleheadrusty wrote:
rookies and cream wrote:Huge HR for Alexei. It will be interesting to see how the writers vote the top 3.

1. Longoria
2. Ellsbury
3. Ramirez

???



You have to be kidding me with the Taco Bellbury talk man. He's not even in the top 5 this season, and outside of playing in Boston wouldnt even get a mention. Hes got an OPS+ of 89, provides no power, and, well he had a ton of steals, also got caught 11 times.

Longoria's three home run game got the attention, but AR hit a slam the next day (and the one yesterday). Longoria will win, but the race is closer then the final numbers will so. If Ellsbury finishes in the top 4 it is only because of the preseason hype.

Hell, he hasnt even been the top rookie on his own team, Lowrie has actually put up pretty decent numbers in a lot fewer games (except the SBs, which are overrated) while playing three positions in the infield well.

My guess on the voting
1. Longoria
2. Alexei


3. Ziegler
4. Ellsbury (only on hype)
5. Span (hype and a full season)

Guys like Aviles will be overlooked because their numbers won't stack up to guys who played most of the season.

Here comes the Boston hate machine again...

RC lays it out nicely and I, for one, appreciate the objective voice of reason. Ellsbury ended up having a decent season and deserves to be in the conversation with Ramirez and Span.
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