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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby HOOTIE » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:28 pm

It's closer then most realize. Longoria leads, but not by alot.

Win Shares

Longoria 17
Alexei 15
Aviles 13

VORP

Longoria 31.9
Aviles 28.2
Alexei 19.4

If Aviles had Longoria PA, it might be his. But he's lost in KC.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Yoda » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:34 pm

Longoria will win easily.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:37 pm

HOOTIE wrote:It's closer then most realize. Longoria leads, but not by alot.

Win Shares

Longoria 17
Alexei 15
Aviles 13

VORP

Longoria 31.9
Aviles 28.2
Alexei 19.4

If Aviles had Longoria PA, it might be his. But he's lost in KC.

Just to be clear, are we debating the BBWAA ROY award or the Cafe ROY award? Or both? :-? It's basically open and shut at this point from the official standpoint, but it'll be better to nominate the Cafe ROY since we don't really put "team leadership" or "clutch play" (aka media exposure) into play. I doubt that many of the BBWAA have heard of WARP or VORP.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby tah161 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:25 am

The one dude finally backed it up with some clutch stats.

Longoria's average w/risp- .235
Ramirez- .404

Longoria's average with runners on- 260
Ramirez-.308

Longoria's average with 2 outs and runners on- .225
Ramirez- .264

Longoria's average with bases loaded- .250
Ramirez- .429
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby HOOTIE » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:52 am

tah161 wrote:The one dude finally backed it up with some clutch stats.

Longoria's average w/risp- .235
Ramirez- .404

Longoria's average with runners on- 260
Ramirez-.308

Longoria's average with 2 outs and runners on- .225
Ramirez- .264

Longoria's average with bases loaded- .250
Ramirez- .429


Doesn't do anything for me. Cherry picking random abs is lame on his part. The season is about ALL Abs.

14 abs with bases loaded means nothing. 46 abs with risp/2 outs. 94 abs with risp. Who's to say those abs with risp didn't come in a blow out? Alexei had 224 abs (54.7%) with nobody on. Those abs don't count?

If he wants to cherry pick, how about?

Alexei in his last 11 games is 8-43 (.186), in the heat of a pennant race.

Or try close & late,

Longoria 210 ops+
Alexei 121 ops+
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:55 am

HOOTIE wrote:If Aviles had Longoria PA, it might be his. But he's lost in KC.


Glad he got a mention. He's been great this season. ;-D
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Dan Lambskin » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:08 am

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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby Yoda » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:48 am

Reasons why Longoria should and will win:
1. He was an elite prospect = more fanfare
2. He is meeting high expectations
3. He is the leading hitter on a team that is playoff bound for the 1st time ever
4. He has a good glove

There is really no other choice.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby bigwords » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:28 am

I think it's Longoria.

However, if we're looking at VORP, considering time off due to injury, value to the club, and expectations met, can we at least give a LITTLE love for Joba Chamberlain?

Among pitchers with at least 90 innings, he ranks only behind Rich Harden in strikeouts per 9.
Among pitchers with at least 90 innings, he ranks only behind Harden, Cliff Lee, Lincecum, Duchscherer, Peavy, and Halladay in ERA.
He has a 27.9 VORP, which puts him ahead of Alexei Ramirez and and Mike Aviles.
He has 9 win shares, the same number as Josh Beckett.

I don't think Joba should win. It's definitely Longoria. But Joba definitely has had an amazing rookie season.
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Re: AL Rookie of the Year debate

Postby DbacksRback » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:37 am

my vote would be for longoria :-°
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