HOOTIE wrote:It's closer then most realize. Longoria leads, but not by alot.
Win Shares
Longoria 17 Alexei 15 Aviles 13
VORP
Longoria 31.9 Aviles 28.2 Alexei 19.4
If Aviles had Longoria PA, it might be his. But he's lost in KC.
Just to be clear, are we debating the BBWAA ROY award or the Cafe ROY award? Or both? It's basically open and shut at this point from the official standpoint, but it'll be better to nominate the Cafe ROY since we don't really put "team leadership" or "clutch play" (aka media exposure) into play. I doubt that many of the BBWAA have heard of WARP or VORP.
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tah161 wrote:The one dude finally backed it up with some clutch stats.
Longoria's average w/risp- .235 Ramirez- .404
Longoria's average with runners on- 260 Ramirez-.308
Longoria's average with 2 outs and runners on- .225 Ramirez- .264
Longoria's average with bases loaded- .250 Ramirez- .429
Doesn't do anything for me. Cherry picking random abs is lame on his part. The season is about ALL Abs.
14 abs with bases loaded means nothing. 46 abs with risp/2 outs. 94 abs with risp. Who's to say those abs with risp didn't come in a blow out? Alexei had 224 abs (54.7%) with nobody on. Those abs don't count?
If he wants to cherry pick, how about?
Alexei in his last 11 games is 8-43 (.186), in the heat of a pennant race.
Or try close & late,
Longoria 210 ops+ Alexei 121 ops+
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Reasons why Longoria should and will win: 1. He was an elite prospect = more fanfare 2. He is meeting high expectations 3. He is the leading hitter on a team that is playoff bound for the 1st time ever 4. He has a good glove
There is really no other choice.
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However, if we're looking at VORP, considering time off due to injury, value to the club, and expectations met, can we at least give a LITTLE love for Joba Chamberlain?
Among pitchers with at least 90 innings, he ranks only behind Rich Harden in strikeouts per 9. Among pitchers with at least 90 innings, he ranks only behind Harden, Cliff Lee, Lincecum, Duchscherer, Peavy, and Halladay in ERA. He has a 27.9 VORP, which puts him ahead of Alexei Ramirez and and Mike Aviles. He has 9 win shares, the same number as Josh Beckett.
I don't think Joba should win. It's definitely Longoria. But Joba definitely has had an amazing rookie season.
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by HOOTIE » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:28 pm 
It's basically open and shut at this point from the official standpoint, but it'll be better to nominate the Cafe ROY since we don't really put "team leadership" or "clutch play" (aka media exposure) into play. I doubt that many of the BBWAA have heard of WARP or VORP.
