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What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:30 am

We all know that both the hitting and pitching Triple Crowns are flawed measurements of a player's domination. My friend and I were talking about this for a bit last night and we said that ERA/WHIP/K and OBP/SLG/HR would be a more accurate Triple Crown, but I think there's more to be said about this. Probably something about VORP.
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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby acsguitar » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:18 pm

This post makes me want to commit mass murder
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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:24 pm

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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby J35J » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:28 pm

acsguitar wrote:This post makes me want to commit mass murder

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It may be flawed if you are trying to evaluate a players true skill but the award isn't there as an evaluator its there as a show of dominance in that given year. I have no problem with AVG-HR-RBI being the guideline to win the award.
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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:35 pm

I think what you are asking is "What are the 3 most important stats for a hitter?"
That is going to be different for everyone but for me I'd go with OBP, offensive win shares and SLG%.
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Postby Dan Lambskin » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:56 pm

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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:02 pm

acsguitar wrote:This post makes me want to commit mass murder

Did I make some sort of faux pas here?
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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby great gretzky » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:25 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
acsguitar wrote:This post makes me want to commit mass murder

Did I make some sort of faux pas here?


Kind of, because you aren't defining your terms properly. You say that the Triple Crown isn't a reflection of a hitter's dominance (something I don't agree with anyway). But the Triple Crown doesn't purport to be an award to the most "dominant" player. It is an award for winning Average, Home Runs, and Rbi. So it isn't "flawed" like you say it is ... because since on the face of things, it doesn't measure "dominance," thus it would be a flawed tool if you applied it in a way to measure "dominance." I'll put it this way, the Triple Crown has never been awarded in error, the person who gets it led the league in those category, as an arbiter of who was best in those cats, its a perfect award.
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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:58 pm

But why average, HR, and RBI? Why would anyone think to pursue the Triple Crown? Why even create such a concept if not to measure single-season dominance?
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Re: What's the "true" Triple Crown?

Postby acsguitar » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:00 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
acsguitar wrote:This post makes me want to commit mass murder

Did I make some sort of faux pas here?


I just hope Vorp dies a horrible death

Anyways my triple crown is: IBB, B, HBP
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